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Dear Annie: I am unable to develop feelings of love for my husband of eight years. In fact, deep inside, I despise him.
This is my second marriage, his fourth. In our early years together, I began to notice obvious signs of his having an intimate relationship with another woman. He always refuted this vehemently and became angry with me for even saying such a thing. But the evidence I've accumulated is enough proof for me. I even saw this woman multiple times, and the looks she gave me were of the "cat that ate the canary" variety.
My husband has no idea that I have evidence, although I am now positive that he has stopped seeing this woman. My problem is that my heart has a layer of cement around it because he has insulted and disrespected my intelligence by continuing to lie about it. I cannot trust someone who is unable to be truthful.
If my husband would only come forward and admit his guilt, as hard as it would be, I would be able to go through the process of forgiving this betrayal. But he is unwilling. It saddens me that he is still robbing us both of a better marriage. Any advice? — Heart of Stone
Dear Heart of Stone: Your heart isn't cement. You care a great deal and are trying to protect yourself from the pain of being hurt. It's possible that your "proof" doesn't tell the whole story. Your husband may have been less involved than your evidence would indicate, in which case, he doesn't believe he has anything to admit. Please don't play games with your marriage. If you have proof, show him. Tell him you are willing to forgive if he comes clean, and that not discussing it honestly could destroy your relationship. If this still doesn't help you find the reassurance you need, please consider counseling, with or without him.
Dear Annie: Yesterday, my wife and I attended the funeral of a woman who died as a result of a fire. We were appalled when someone's cellphone began to ring. Not only did this woman answer her phone and carry on a conversation during the service, but when her phone rang again, she did the same thing.
I think funeral homes or anywhere such a service is held should post signs telling attendees to turn off their cellphones during visitation hours and for the duration of the service. If someone cannot do this, they should not come. They can send flowers or a condolence card. — Irritated by Lack of Thoughtfulness
Dear Irritated: There is no excuse for letting one's cellphone disturb a funeral service (or a wedding, concert, play, movie or any other such event). But it's not necessary to stay away entirely. People can put their cellphones on "mute" or "vibrate" and answer urgent calls out of the room without disturbing mourners and others in attendance. Please, people, be polite and respectful. You would want the same courtesy.
Dear Annie: "Second Wife" objected to her husband keeping photographs of his late wife in his office. My darling husband's late wife was a sweet and lovely woman who died nine years before we married. Photos of her are all over the house, and her ashes have a place of honor on the dining room bookshelf.
I would not dream of asking my husband to remove these reminders of her. They were married 13 years. She was a dear friend and is the mother of my stepchildren. We consider her a beloved family member. Jealous of a dead woman? I think not. — Married 10 Years to the Right Man
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LW1 - if you love the truth so much, show your evidence to your husband and have it out with him. He is not the only person robbing the 2 of you of a happy marriage. The way you are now is no way to be married. Either accept him as he is, or leave. I'm not saying you are wrong to be so angry because no one should have to put up with a cheating spouse. I'm just saying that your being so angry is no way for either of you to live. You would be better off apart than to have this anger between you forever.
Comment: #1
Posted by: kai archie
Sat Mar 9, 2013 9:08 PM
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LW1--For god's sake stop acting like such a drama queen. Your husband is on his FOURTH marriage; what in heaven's name did you expect? Loyalty? Fidelity? Trust? The truth? The man is a serial cheater, obviously!! Evidently you're either the most arrogant woman on the planet or the stupidest if you thought that you of all people would change him. Since your track record with marriage as a sacred institution isn't much better than your husband's, my advice is to either accept that your husband will cheat on you and look the other way or divorce the cad and begin working on finding victim...er, sorry..husband number three. Frankly, I'd stick it out; I think you and your husband deserve each other.
LW2--Ha, if you think signs will compel inconsiderate clods to turn off their cell phones then you're sadly mistaken. People are so addicted nowadays that nothing will separate them from their precious cell phones, regardless of the setting or situation. If you want to ensure a cell phone free zone, then go on-line and order a little cell phone jammer from Korea that you can stash in your purse. The good ones will knock out cell phone activity within a thirty foot radius. Switch it on at the movies, funerals, church or any event that could be shattered by an ignorant clod on a cell phone. This will force the cell phone addicts to go outside in order to get a signal, which is something one would think they would do out of common courtesy anyway. Cell phone jammers are illegal in the U.S. of course but I won't tell if you won't.
LW3--But then you're not an insecure control freak with zero self-esteem.
Comment: #2
Posted by: Chris
Sat Mar 9, 2013 9:42 PM
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LW1 -
Confront him, get the dirty laundry out to wash finally and clean this up, or leave.
LW2 -
Face it - the basis of manners is consideration towards others. The woman didn't give a shit about your inconvenience.
LW3 - Unfortunately, there are plenty of people who are jealous of dead people. My stepmother was certainly jealous of my dead mother, but then she knew my father saw her face every time he looked at me.
Comment: #3
Posted by: Lise Brouillette
Sat Mar 9, 2013 10:11 PM
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@Chris - Not all men who have been married that many times are serial cheaters. I waited until I was 52 to get married, and I'm my husband's 4th wife (he's never given me reason to doubt him, I trust him implicitly). He spent 20 years in the Navy and his first wife couldn't handle his being at sea for 6 months at a time (WTF did she expect when she married someone in the Navy?). His second wife was also in the Navy and he found out she was sleeping with higher ranking officers in order to try and advance her career. He was married to his 3rd wife for 17 years. She left him after he'd been retired from the Navy for 12 years (she left him twice, both times for other men).
So LW1 thinks her husband has been cheating on her, and she thinks she has evidence, but doesn't say what that evidence is. We don't have any way to know if he's a serial cheater - he could have been the one to initiate the divorces from his other wives for reasons we don't know. He COULD have been cheating on them and they initiated the divorces, but we don't know that. So to say that he's a serial cheater and DTMFA isn't exactly helpful.
Comment: #4
Posted by: Vesta
Sat Mar 9, 2013 10:25 PM
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* * * * PUBLIC SERVICE ANNOUNCEMENT * * * *
LW3 refers to the second letter on 9 January 2013.
Comment: #5
Posted by: Miss Pasko
Sat Mar 9, 2013 10:40 PM
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LW1 - I don't think that the fact the LW's husband has been married four times necessarily means he was cheating in the other three marriages. My ex is now on his fourth wife (I was #3), and I don't believe he cheated on any of us. There were other reasons for his marriages and subsequent divorces, including ours, which are irrelevant here, but cheating wasn't one of them, and he has been married to wife #4 for 30 years (happily as far as I know). And the LW doesn't state that he was divorced three times. One or more marriages could have ended because of the death of the wife.
Having said that, if the LW has proof that her husband is currently cheating or has cheated during their marriage, then she should bring it out in the open and confront him with it. She isn't being any more honest than he is, and dishonesty isn't any basis for marriage. If she isn't willing to do that, then it's time to end the marriage and move on. I can't see either one of them being happy in the current situation.
Comment: #6
Posted by: Kitty
Sun Mar 10, 2013 3:29 AM
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Right on, Chris, about signs. No one will read them. There are ads in the movie theater before the show to turn off the phones and they still ring!
Comment: #7
Posted by: Wordsworth
Sun Mar 10, 2013 4:13 AM
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LW2 - While I agree with the LW that the behavior he described was beyond rude, I doubt seriously that writing to the Annies will have any effect other than to vent. I would be surprised if people who are that inconsiderate of others will pay any attention to what either he or the Annies say, or that signs requesting them to turn off their phones would help. I love Chris's suggestion of a jammer. It would serve those clods right not to be able to disturb the rest of the world with their rudeness.
Comment: #8
Posted by: Kitty
Sun Mar 10, 2013 4:17 AM
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@ Vesta
My apologies. Due to the late hour (and the lingering buzz of an evening cocktail) my phrasing was a bit off. I meant to convey that because the LW's husband is a serial cheater, he's run through four wives. I did not intend to imply that because the LW's husband is on his fourth marriage, that makes him a serial cheater. I hope that clears things up.
Comment: #9
Posted by: Chris
Sun Mar 10, 2013 4:53 AM
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Re: Chris I always wanted one of those cell phone jammers, but don't know how to get them. People have the attention span of gnats. They are never fully "there" for anything, but spitting focus among several things at once.
As a result they have to do it all over again because they never really savored the event the first..or third time around.
Maybe that is why Americans are overweight, or cheat on mates. They never fully experience the food or the loving and have to keep going back for more diluted experiences.
Comment: #10
Posted by: sarah stravinska
Sun Mar 10, 2013 5:38 AM
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Why not go over to the person who is interrupting the service by speaking on the phone and tell her to shut up or go elsewhere? Surely everyone there was thinking about doing the same thing, and being embarrassed publicly like that usually does the trick.
Comment: #11
Posted by: Volpe
Sun Mar 10, 2013 5:43 AM
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LW1: Unless your evidence is irrefutable, cold hard evidence and it's not based on your "intuition" or your past experiences, don't keep beating this dead horse.
You have to decide, once and for all, either you start to work on this marriage or you give up. Nowhere in your letter do you mention good qualities about your husband but surely he has some? If you can't come up with any, then instead of presenting your husband with the "evidence", present him with divorce papers so you both can move on.
LW2: It must be where I live but cell phones haven't been an issue in public forums I've been in for years. I don't remember the last time I've heard a cell phone at church (although now that I've said that, today will be the day!). Signs work, but peer pressure I think has worked more. People used to confront people on cell phones all the time, and if you had one in church, the pastor would use the classic line "Unless that's a call from Jesus, you'd better hang up right now". Until we as a society make it as inacceptable to talk on cell phones in public areas as it would be to hold a live conversation, this type of thing will continue to happen.
LW3: Your husband is lucky to have you!
Comment: #12
Posted by: nanchan
Sun Mar 10, 2013 5:54 AM
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Lw!, wow, sorry, but if your "evidence" is all the likes of the only proof you mentioned, which was the look you saw on a woman's face. you are nothing more than an obsessive, dangerous and abusive nutcase. If a woman's facial expression is all the proof you need that she's having an affair with your husband, then what exactly is your husband's facial expression telling you when you continuously accuse him of cheating and he "vehemently denies it"? How is a woman's supposedly smug facial expression proof that an affair exists, and a husband's angry facial expression when being accused not proof that it doesn't exist? Or are you just picking and choosing your "evidence" to fit your theory? Have you ever considered that the woman's expression is not smug, but because she is somewhat fearful of your obvious psychosis and is just trying to inch towards the door away from you? Get some counselling before you become a danger to yourself and to others.
And Chris, just because someone is on their fourth marriage does not always mean they have been a bad spouse. I know three people on their fourth marriages and out of the nine marriages that ended, five were due to death, three to the other spouse cheating and one where there were irreconcilable differences.
Comment: #13
Posted by: Jane
Sun Mar 10, 2013 6:10 AM
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Re: Volpe #11
"Why not go over to the person who is interrupting the service by speaking on the phone and tell her to shut up or go elsewhere?"
Because it's not safe. Someone that rude and insensitive can also be belligerent. Not to mention that you never know who is armed these days, and just sitting on a "make my day" attitude. Lots of frustrated Rambos out there.
Comment: #14
Posted by: Lise Brouillette
Sun Mar 10, 2013 6:16 AM
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P.S.: "And tell hder to shut up"
Why "her"? It could easily be a "him". So much for men always being to blame! ;-D
Comment: #15
Posted by: Lise Brouillette
Sun Mar 10, 2013 6:19 AM
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Chris, I think I'm still confused but disagree with both of your versions.
I've known a few men who are on marriages 3 and up because their wives cheated on THEM. One guy I know is on marriage 4 and it's been very hard for HIM to trust his wife because of the past infidelities. His first wife left him when he was out on the oil rigs and took their two children with her. She left with another man and it took him 2 years to track her and the kids down. His second wife left him for the grocery delivery boy (that one hurt!) and number 3 cleaned out his bank accounts, charged up his credit cards and then asked for alimony because "he made me quit my job" (as a secretary). Is it any wonder that he has trouble trusting wife 4?
I think that was one of the points of my post. I believe that the LW may be looking for infidelity where there may be NONE because of her past experiences. It's pure speculation of course, but the point is that BOTH the LW and her husband have some baggage and it does color how they perceive their current situation..
Comment: #16
Posted by: nanchan
Sun Mar 10, 2013 6:31 AM
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@ nanchan
While I see your point of view it doesn't make sense to me. It defies logic that a man whose three prior marriages were devastated by cheating spouses would then turn around and inflict that sort of devastation on his own spouse. Whether or not the husband's former spouses cheated on him is kind of irrelevant anyway; the LW seems convinced he's cheating on her and that's frankly all that matters. Maybe it's the case that the LW herself cheated on both her former husbands so now she's "seeing" that behavior in her latest husband.
Comment: #17
Posted by: Chris
Sun Mar 10, 2013 7:01 AM
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There ARE a few legitimate reasons for truly needing a cell phone. I used to be a caseworker for Child Protective Services and had to be on-call every other weekend to investigate reports of child abuse. (Before cell phones, we had pagers. Before pagers, we were expected to stay home by the phone.) Physicians also need to be readily available in case of an emergency. When you use your cell phone jammer, you may be interferring with a call that could save a life.
That said, there is no excuse for not setting a phone to vibrate only and making sure you are in an area where you can quickly step out to take an important call.
Comment: #18
Posted by: Siege
Sun Mar 10, 2013 7:02 AM
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@Lise Brouillette: it says clearly in the letter "this woman" was talking on a cell phone that rang during the service. Inexcusable!
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What do you think of this practice: group gathers for dinner, each puts his/her cell phone in a pile in the middle of the table. First one to pick up a ringing cell phone pays the tab for all.
Comment: #19
Posted by: melinda
Sun Mar 10, 2013 7:18 AM
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Volpe: agree.
Comment: #20
Posted by: nanchan
Sun Mar 10, 2013 7:22 AM
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Re: melinda
We've been doing that at my company for about a year at lunch. I also posted that on Dear Abby about a month ago... it works.
Comment: #21
Posted by: nanchan
Sun Mar 10, 2013 7:24 AM
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Re: Chris
Well, in the friend's case I talked about, he's trying REALLY hard to get over his past experiences but it still affects him. And my POINT was that it can do that for the LW as well.
Another friend, on his third marriage now, lost his first wife when he entered the Navy (she didn't want to be kept moving), the second as a result of HER infidelity while he was stationed abroad during the Iraq conflict.
Another guy friend (marriage 3 as well), both wives left because of his work schedule.
My point again was that it's not only men who are philanderers and cheat during marriage.
Men, they are NOT always the problem.
Comment: #22
Posted by: nanchan
Sun Mar 10, 2013 7:42 AM
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LW2: re - posting signs. Posting signs etc. is helpful for people who might forget turn off their cell phones; but if they have no intention of turning it off, and don't care about others, then they ignore signs anyway (like the lady in L2, and rude people in movie theatres, where management usually plays a reminder video).
Comment: #23
Posted by: Steve C
Sun Mar 10, 2013 7:49 AM
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Re: melinda
You're perfectly right, and I myself even saw it in my own answer. Sorry about that, my bad. I'm home with the flu and running a temp. Not doing too well! ;-D
Comment: #24
Posted by: Lise Brouillette
Sun Mar 10, 2013 8:34 AM
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Re: nanchan
"Is it any wonder that he has trouble trusting wife 4?"
Not at all, but my heart goes out to Wife #4.
People who always run into the same problem all the time generally are the source of it. Generally. Instead of getting himself hitched for the 4th time, he should have gotten himself into therapy to determine why he keeps picking such losers, or if there isn't something in the way he treats his women that pushes them all in the same place. Otherwise I can guarantee you that he'll be such an asshole to his present wife that it'll become a self-fulfilling prophecy.
@Melinda
About the cell phone in a pile practice: brilliant!
@Steve C #23
You're perfectly right of course, and the only ones who could actually enforce the rule would be the theatre people if they evicted the recalcitrants. But they won't, because they don't want to play the police, with the result that nothing gets done and the rude clods get their way.
It would also work is everyone in the theatre rose like a man against the clods, but they won't because they don't want to get involved... with the result that nothing gets done and the rude clods get their way. Sigh.
Comment: #25
Posted by: Lise Brouillette
Sun Mar 10, 2013 8:49 AM
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LW1- Do yourself a favor and confront him with your 'evidence'. You will know then what you need to do.
LW2- We can seethe by the inappropriate and rude behavior of a cell phone user at a funeral, or we can quietly get up and ask that nincompoop to please turn off their cell or step outside with their call. A dirty look with that request goes a long way. While I think I think a cell phone jammer would be a great idea, I worry that during an emergency, you know, such as a mass shooting, patrons would be unable to call for help. Just saying...
LW3- You are a gem. I have always wondered what the big deal was having photos of one that played such an important role in the surviving husband's and children's lives. Truly, to be jealous of a dead person requires some psychological help.
Comment: #26
Posted by: jajjaaj
Sun Mar 10, 2013 8:51 AM
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jajjaaj
re:LW3 - I agree. It's very sick to be jealous of a dead person.
Comment: #27
Posted by: nanchan
Sun Mar 10, 2013 9:40 AM
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Re LW#1------Whether or not the LW's husband is actually cheating on her, she doesn't trust him. Even if he up and 'confessed' and was so, so sorry, what would change? She THINKS everything would then be OK and she'd be able to love him again and move on, but what if it keeps eating at her? Somehow I'm sensing she's the type that would just keep picking, though obviously I don't know, since I don't know her OR him.
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We don't know what the evidence is, so maybe he's a cheater and maybe she's overly jealous and suspicious. Either way, no basis for a marriage. Maybe she just needs to get out, because the trust is gone-----possibly due to him, possibly due to her. If he's innocent, he deserves a wife who doesn't constantly suspect him of cheating. And if he's guilty, she deserves someone who won't cheat, and then lie to her on top of that.
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On the subject of multiple past marriages being proof of someone being a poor risk (either a cheater or in other ways)--------this is the honest truth: I have an uncle by marriage (long-since deceased) who was married 7 times before he married my aunt (who herself had two marriages behind her). And they were the happiest people I ever saw, from the day they married till she died 22 years later. Why? She had a tendency to pick guys who were go-getters and she wasn't one, so their values never meshed. And he, in a reverse situation, was a laid-back guy who only wanted to work just enough to pay the rent and food bills, and no more. So his wives figured out he wasn't going to keep steady jobs but preferred temp stuff, and they left him.
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But when they got married, both had the same expectations, and neither one let the other down, so it worked.
He and she were both pretty much guilty of not being able to read people's character, that was all. I agree it's stupid to keep making the same mistake------but none of it had to do with poor character, just different wants/expectations.
Comment: #28
Posted by: jennylee
Sun Mar 10, 2013 9:40 AM
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People can have a whole string of marriages and not be serial cheaters. I knew a man whose first wife died of cancer before their oldest child was in high school. The second marriage was a rebound marriage to a family friend who'd been divorced less than a year. They split because they'd both gotten together too quickly and when they moved halfway across the country, they discovered the marriage wasn't working. The third marriage was to a woman who suffered from depression; she committed suicide. His fourth marriage lasted quite a while, but I've heard she died, too, although with them both in their early 80s, that's hardly surprising.
Comment: #29
Posted by: Reader
Sun Mar 10, 2013 12:03 PM
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If you haven't already, go to youtube and look up "Cell Phones in Church."
Comment: #30
Posted by: Joannakathryn
Sun Mar 10, 2013 12:50 PM
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LW2 is the basis of my comments today.
While yes, a sign outside the venue where the service is to be held kindly reminding attendees to please turn off their cell phones (or set them to vibrate) is a good idea, there's just some people who think the rules of courtesy and respect don't apply to them. So screw them!
I loved nanchan's suggestion about the stern reprimand from the pastor who called out a parishoner on taking a phone call in church – "Unless that's a call from Jesus, you'd better hang up right now!" Perhaps that's what this white trash funeral attendee needed: an angry rebuke from the pastor to shame her into shutting off the phone. Or – more than likely – her "disgustedly" and with a long sigh, picking up her handbag and other things and scurrying out of the church as if that call (and any calls) were more important than paying your respects and showing courtesy for those who came to do the same.
I mean, even doctors and police officers who are on call – and in a situation where they absolutely be available to take calls – and are attending a funeral service know better. I mean, they sit in the back and set their phones/pagers to vibrate and then – sitting at the back and near the aisle – quietly leave the chapel to take their call. (Or they provide a phone number to contacts who absolutely must contact them and then the receptionist at wherever venue the funeral is at quietly asks the doctor/officer outside to take the call.)
But most of us aren't doctors or police officers on call and expecting urgent calls, so the calls can wait. Leave them off ... and in the car if you have to.
Re: Volpe (#11)
Not a bad idea. But Lise is correct – maybe it won't be inside the service, but perhaps outside that person will invariably confront you and have some, well, choice words for "interrupting" his/her conversation. If someone is that bothersome and – assuming the pastor doesn't speak up – just ask an usher. Usually, they can ... Usually, they can ask them to turn off the phone and the errant parishoner would be less likely to confront anyone.
Comment: #31
Posted by: Bobaloo
Sun Mar 10, 2013 2:29 PM
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If I heard someone carrying a casual conversation on a cell phone at a funeral beyond a quick, "Sorry, I'll call you back later," I would loudly say, UNLESS THAT'S <insert name of deceased here> CALLING FROM THE GRAVE WAITING TO SPEAK TO ALL OF US, HANG UP AND PLEASE SHOW SOME RESPECT!"
Comment: #32
Posted by: Paul W
Mon Mar 11, 2013 10:11 AM
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