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More on the Hatfields and the McCoys
Dear Margo: If your writer who was a Hatfield identified herself as a native of West Virginia, my home state, then I might have some insight into why this person, as you put it, needed to become less thin-skinned. People from Hatfield and McCoy country are often maligned by people who have never visited this beautiful part of our country to see its majestic mountains, lakes and streams. Appalachia and its people are frequently the butt of tasteless jokes (incest, wearing no shoes, having no teeth, acting like backwoods ignoramuses, and so on). Over time, this wears on people, as much as any negative, hurtful stereotype wears on other groups who are the objects of ridicule based on color, religion or geography.
Now living in the Northeast, I find the ignorance of many people in other locations in our country pretty astonishing. No one can seem to recall that West Virginia has had statehood since the Civil War, and that its secession from Virginia came about because of anti-slavery fervor.
Regarding the Hatfields and the McCoys, just because it's "history" doesn't mean it's good or positive. — Mid-Atlantic Transplant Who Enjoys Your Column
Dear Mid: You make some valid points, for which I thank you. History, however, ought not be discussed only if it is good or positive. As for your beautiful home state, I did spend five weeks in Harpers Ferry with a movie company, and it is beautiful in a hardscrabble way. I was also informed by the then secretary of state that I was no longer welcome there because of a piece I wrote for "TV Guide." (I never had occasion to find out whether he could make good on his word.) — Margo, reminiscently
M-I-L Troubles, No Joke
Dear Margo: I just had to write you about the letter concerning "Another Pushy M-I-L." The situation described sounds all too familiar, as I am currently in the process of dissolving my marriage to a woman whose mother expressed similar vitriol. Some days my wife would just shrug and say, "That's just how my mom is," and other days she would dance to the tune of whatever music her mother was playing.
I strongly encourage all people in these types of situations to enlist the spouse's help in either quieting the M-I-L or enforcing a persona-non-grata law if they cannot be civil. When we married, it was tolerable. When we had a child, she was worse. And when we moved closer to her, it became egregious. I'm not going to detail the blow-by-blow, but suffice it to say she would explode into screaming if I suggested she leash a troublesome dog. ("A dog would hang itself with a leash!")
If the spouse stays neutral or, even worse, defends the vicious behavior, you will be passing through a private hell every time this person enters your life: big events, holidays and so on. No behavior will ever be bad enough for them to step in.
I used to think two people in love could live harmoniously no matter what families said or did. I still do, but with a caveat: If someone is toxic in a family and is allowed to stick around and pour poison freely, they will ruin the relationship. And God help you if you have children, because nobody will see any problem with bad-mouthing the parent who fled the craziness. Thousands of dollars for therapy, lawyers and court later, the children will be the ones who suffer most. — Mr. Green
Dear Mr.: Feel better now? When a mother-in-law runs roughshod over the in-law spouse, it is usually the case that she has done the same to the child. This may or may not be obvious before marriage. There are some happy endings, though, when an interfering, destructive m-i-l is invited by her offspring to take a hike. I must say that I have had a few good ones, and I try very hard myself to be a "good" one. — Margo, responsively
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LW1: Do the people of Hatfield and McCoy country really think that the beauty of their environment somehow becomes their own personal virtue? Maybe they do.
Comment: #1
Posted by: LouisaFinnell
Fri Mar 22, 2013 9:21 PM
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LW1: Well it sounds like West Virginia was pretty progressive in the 1860s, but a quick internet search shows that today it's pretty backwards (I personally don't really know, never been). The major barometer of today is gay rights (in the past it's been women's rights, african-americans' rights, etc.), and bills that would prohibit discrimination based on one's sexual orientation have died 3 times in the last 4 years in WV (forget about gay marriage, that only has 19% support). It never would have occurred to me to look this up if you hadn't mentioned how majestic and forward your state is, so thanks.
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Posted by: Steve C
Fri Mar 22, 2013 10:06 PM
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Re: Steve C
Thanks for reminding me of West Virginia's appalling recent history on women's rights.
WV drew national attention last year as its legislature passed the "Transvaginal Ultrasound" law that required women seeking an abortion to undergo a medically unnecessary, costly and invasive (literally!) procedure. For no reason whatsoever other than to force them to look at it. You know, 'cause women are too stupid and shallow to realize what "I'm pregnant" actually means.
The governor was going to sign the bill until SNL, Jon Stewart, Letterman, Leno, etc mocked them mercilessly....and of course, the whole national media focused on it. So they kinda-sorta backed down. I wonder for how long?
Man, I wish I could tell LW1 I was one of those "ignorant Northeasterners" who knew nothing of WV.
Comment: #3
Posted by: Johanna
Fri Mar 22, 2013 11:03 PM
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Because, obviously, every state law, every disagreement on social issues, every negative incident is a reflection on every single person who currently or ever has lived in that state.
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Posted by: Wordsworth
Sat Mar 23, 2013 5:07 AM
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Anybody know what the piece was that Margo wrote for TV Guide that almost got her kicked out of WV? I can't find anything using google or searching TV Guide's website but now I'm very curious! :-P
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Posted by: Andaia
Sat Mar 23, 2013 5:14 AM
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Re: Johanna The transvaginal ultrasound law was in Virginia not West Virginia.
Comment: #6
Posted by: Sweet Potato Queen
Sat Mar 23, 2013 5:21 AM
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LW1--I had to laugh at your letter, sorry. You're stating the obvious dear; most average American citizens these days can't recite even the most basic facts about the history of this country, it's current leadership or the real facts of core issues facing our society. Hell, for a good laugh, go down to your local hangout and ask someone to name two of the nine Supreme Court justices of the United States. Give them a bonus point if they even knew how many justices there are. People don't know who their representatives in government are and they don't know anything beyond incendiary TV and radio rhetoric when it comes to voting for representation or on key issues. Most people couldn't tell you when the Civil War took place or which states seceded. You'll be lucky if you can find someone who can name all fifty states or even locate Iraq on a world map. You know what people in America do know? They know every salacious detail about Kim Kardashian; they know who won 'Survivor'; they know who took home statues at the Oscars; they know how to post to FaceBook, Tweet, Tumble, StumbleUpon and how to play Angry Birds all day. Go watch the movie 'Idioocracy' to see what America's future looks like.
LW2-- Harumph, yeah, good luck with that. While many wives will insist their husbands' mothers toe the line, I find that most husbands have absolutely no leverage when it comes to their own mothers-in-law. That's because most women are joined at the hip with their mothers and after children come into the picture, the husband is relegated to ATM and handyman status. The husband is regarded as an oafish Neanderthal obsessed with sports and possessing no savvy whatsoever with regards to women or handling even the most mundane household tasks. I find this pathetic. Sorry ladies, but I have to agree with Princess Bride in this regard. We see it every day on TV sitcoms and other media.
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Posted by: Chris
Sat Mar 23, 2013 5:41 AM
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West Virginia IS beautiful, and it has plenty of gracious, welcoming, and accepting people. Shepherdstown is great, a college town, with lots of progressive people, and the peace-loving Mennonites and Moravians have considerable influence in parts of the state. A big problem is the coal industry. When my father was growing up in Appalachia during the Depression, everyone dreamed of escaping that life. It seemed that every father's dream was that his sons wouldn't have to work in the mines or the steel mills. It was a brutal, filthy life that all too frequently ended in disability and early death.
Nowadays, all that seems to have changed. Rather than protecting the environment and scenery that SHOULD fuel West Virginia's economic recovery, the extraction industry is spending billions of dollars to gut OSHA and EPA regulations and break the unions. They have launched propaganda wars that that play on men's sense of machismo and convince them that real men don't complain about pollution and safety violations, and unions are for wimps. They have their workers believing that their lives would be glorious and the Appalachian economy would be booming if they could just get rid of regulations and unions. They assure them that renewable energy technologies are the most ridiculous failure in mankind's history. They whip then into a panic over the possibility that their sons won't be "privileged" to work in the mines, and that they might be forced leave their world of flattened mountains, ash dams, and polluted wells to attend university and get sissy desk jobs. My dad would have been astonished at this, and deeply saddened by the loss of progress that had been made while the unions still held sway.
Pittsburgh got up, dusted itself off, and courted other industries. It is now a major center for banking and insurance, and it's a clean and pleasant place to live now. The rest of Appalachia should take a good look.
Comment: #8
Posted by: Carla
Sat Mar 23, 2013 6:11 AM
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Is Margo on vacation? Two read ons in one week? Lazy girl.
Chris, dude, you need some help today. Why you hating on women so much?
Comment: #9
Posted by: nanchan
Sat Mar 23, 2013 6:19 AM
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LW1 -
Margo, while there is a no-fly list, I doubt very much there is a no-West Virginia list!
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@Chris #7
You know Chris, while I have seen some women joined at the hip with their mother, I have seen an equal number of mama's boys joined at the hip with their mamas as well... and, as for the LW, the wives of such non-men never win.
The real problem is the steamroller in-law and adults who are not really adults, but still steamrolled children, as well as the kind of context that makes some women want to live vicariously through their children, rather than have a life of their own.
@Carla #8
Thank you for that post. It was very interesting.
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Posted by: Lise Brouillette
Sun Mar 24, 2013 9:59 AM
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Those damn Hatfields again. They stole my Pa's pig!!!!
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Posted by: Chris McCoy
Mon Mar 25, 2013 9:14 AM
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Re. Mr. Green's situation -- I agree. If you are able to step back and see how dysfunctionally entrenched the parents and their child (your spouse) are, and how ultimately, they're unable and/or unwilling to change things, then it's a shame, but ending the marriage is the only way to get your sanity back. Been there myself.
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Posted by: deb
Mon Mar 25, 2013 9:56 AM
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As straight, white, Southern male, I've often wondered why only racist bigots make fun of stereotypes relating to gays, blacks, hispanics, etc., but stereotypes relating to straight, white, Southern males are fair game. The Redneck Comedy tour is seen as fine, comedic entertainment by people who would hemorrhage from their ears if they heard the same type of joke about a minority. That's what LW1 is referring to. After a while you get sick of being told to be more sensitive to other people by by those who routinely insult and demean your people despite the fact that most of them are basing their biased, bigoted opinions on jokes made up by Larry the Cable Guy and Jeff Foxworthy ... or stories they heard from other bigots who've never actually met any real Southerners. Larry the Cable Guy is about as representative of the South as Niles Crain is of the North. I'm not saying those types don't exist, but they are not typical.
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Posted by: Darryl
Mon Mar 25, 2013 10:39 AM
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@Chris -- ah, because sitcoms are based entirely on reality and are entirely realistic. Good to know. While heaven knows there certainly ARE plenty of women out there who are joined at the hip with their mothers and who consider men to be oafish neanderthals, there are just as many who are not. Don't see them in sitcoms? Because it's hardly entertaining to watch everyone be sane. I have to say, of the people I know personally, the ones who have the most problems with their MILs actually tend to be the DAUGHTERS-in-law, not the sons-in-law. For every son-in-law out there who is dealing with a wife who dances to her mother's tune, there is a daughter-in-law who will "never be good enough for my son," who doesn't keep her house clean enough, who doesn't cook well enough, who doesn't do enough for her children, etc., etc., etc. I have never argued that Princess Bride doesn't have a point about the female bias on some of these forums, but I think both you and PB do that argument a disfavor when you refuse to acknowledge that some things really are gender neutral. If your only basis for your current argument is what you see on TV and other entertainment media, you might want consider just how much "reality" goes into entertainment -- even the "reality TV shows" aren't strictly reality.
@Darryl -- I completely understand your frustration. The fact of the matter is that there are certain groups that are, for one reason another, protected by the PC police, and certain groups that are not. Most typically, of course, the groups the PC police try to protect are groups that have been the most vulnerable to persecution -- and not simply as jokes. Sure, I've heard a ton of stupid redneck jokes -- but I can't think of the last time I heard about a straight, white male (southern or otherwise) being lynched for the color of his skin or being beaten to bloody pulp because of his sexuality. I can't think of the last time I heard about a straight, white male (southern or otherwise) being denied a bank loan (or other service, for that matter), based solely on his race/ethnicity. And unfortunately, who are the people who are most often associated with persecuting people of color and/or gay people? Well, that would be straight, white men (not always Southerners, to be sure, but...)
So, I completely agree with you that Larry the Cable Guy is no more representative of the South than Niles Crain is of the North. And again, I understand your frustration. But I'm also going to suggest that there's a reason that the PC police are more concerned about protecting some of the various minorities you point to than they are about protecting straight, white Southern men.
Comment: #14
Posted by: Lisa
Mon Mar 25, 2013 11:20 AM
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Lisa's got a point -- straight, white men don't really need the protection. And for those SWM who feel insulted and demeaned, all I have to say is -- how do YOU like it? Sauce for the goose...
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Posted by: KC
Mon Mar 25, 2013 3:06 PM
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@ Lisa
Excellent post. Of course you're right, 100%. I happened to be watching something particularly stupid on T.V. Saturday morning when I read this column; my post reflected my ongoing disgust and disappointment for what passes for entertainment these days.
Comment: #16
Posted by: Chris
Mon Mar 25, 2013 6:32 PM
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Re: Darryl--
Oh, please.
I'm a white, southern woman, married to a white, southern male, and mother of another white, southern male. We have it SO rough down here <rolling eyes>.
If people making redneck jokes is the worst thing we have to worry about, then we're pretty darn fortunate.
Truth is, I love redneck jokes, and I'm also a blonde. I like those jokes, too.
Comment: #17
Posted by: Joannakathryn
Mon Mar 25, 2013 10:47 PM
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@Chris -- just want to say thanks. For one thing, I wasn't even sure you'd come back to this thread and see my post, and even if you did doesn't mean you'd respond to it. For another, it's fairly rare to see someone at the BTL say, "you know, now that you mention it, maybe you're right..." So, it was doubly a pleasant surprise.
@Joannakathryn -- we basically said much the same thing, you were just more blunt about it than I was (and sometimes that is exactly what is called for). I have to say, it took a lot of restraint on my part not to ask Darryl about "his other brother Darryl" -- but then I realized that actually wasn't a Southern/redneck joke, since "Newhart" was based in Vermont.
Comment: #18
Posted by: Lisa
Tue Mar 26, 2013 1:06 PM
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