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Dear Larry: I want to respond to the controversy regarding Dr. Laura Schlessinger. She made headlines for using the N-word on her radio show in response to a caller who is black. The caller was having relationship troubles with her white husband and his relatives and friends for being racially insensitive.

According to what the caller said, these people were asking, "How do you black people like doing this?" and saying, "You black people really like doing that." Schlessinger didn't think it was racist.

To this woman: Is it racist when white readers of this column say the same things?

I do feel that Dr. Laura could have spoken metaphorically while addressing the issue instead of using the actual N-word. But she did raise a good question: How can some blacks say that they get so offended when a white person makes a joke or says something that is considered racially insensitive but take no offense when one of their peers says the exact same thing or worse?

For the past few years, I've seen white people make jokes and have opinions of black people. They've wound up getting fired, getting suspended or being sent to sensitivity training programs. The managers say they do this because they are deathly afraid that some civil rights person will shut them down.

I was at a show starring Chris Rock. He used the N-word multiple times in his act. Rock's audience was mostly black, and not one person took offense. There is an obvious double standard.

A white person I know went to a comedy club featuring a black comedian who called white people "crackers." No one got angry about this term, including the white people who were in attendance.

One of the whites decided to have a little fun and pretended to be offended by going into a tirade. The comedian was stunned and speechless.

After a slight pause, this white person informed the comedian that he was just joking. The comedian laughed, with a sigh of relief, and so did the other audience members. However, the people running the club were not amused and had him escorted out of the club for "being disruptive."

My question is this, Larry: How come blacks can get away with telling white jokes but not the other way around? — Pope

Dear Pope: People get away with telling white jokes because whites do not take offense and speak up. This is the reason there is a double standard. Blacks and other minorities speak up and make a fuss at any perceived offense.

America is now so sensitized about offending that minorities can make any claim of being offended and the "offender" immediately is deemed guilty unless he can prove his innocence.

If you are too timid to demand respect, you will be ostracized and disrespected.

Dear Larry: As a Jewish American, I say BUILD THE MOSQUE near ground zero. The reason for having a top-quality community center for Muslims is to prevent the mood that encourages Muslims to become terrorists.

I understand the anger that the families of the 9/11 victims have. But there's going to be a point at which people will move on with their lives. This attack happened almost nine years ago. Most of us have other things on our minds.

I don't have time to cherish old grievances. — Ben

Dear Ben: We remember the attack on Pearl Harbor, and that memory galvanized and sustained the country through World War II. We never should forget that America is not immune from a determined enemy.

The loss of life at the World Trade Center was even greater. It never should be forgotten. It always should serve as another reminder never to let our guard down against people who want to destroy our way of life.

You may want to forget, but I disagree with you. I believe forgetting would cause an even greater loss of life.

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There are already something like 84 mosques in New York City, including some in Manhattan. Why is anyone trying to argue that a 13-story mosque (one which will most likely be paid-for by the Saudi government and others) is needed only a few blocks from the site of the WTC? Did a bunch of Muslims move to that area that I haven't heard about? I also reject the president's claim that this is some kind of "freedom of religion" issue. I dismissed that argument when I found out that the leadership of a Greek Orthodox church - which was on the site prior to the attacks and actually destroyed on that day along with the WTC - has not been allowed to rebuild because of red tape. Even if one casts this as a 1st Amendment issue and says that it's legal to build a mosque there, that still doesn't mean it is a good idea. Not only is building a house of worship for the faith which motivated the 19 hijackers itself an act of rubbing salt in the wound...I also find it interesting that the organizers want to name it "Cordoba." Cordoba is a word of victory which is associated with Moorish (Muslim) Spain. It's a word referring to conquest. So it seems to me that this proposed mosque is little more than a victory dance on the graves of the 9/11 victims. Even the most ardent opponents of this project simply say, "Build it anywhere but here; just build it someplace else." I'm disgusted that NY mayor Michael Bloomberg and so many other elites are on-board with it.
Comment: #1
Posted by: Matt
Fri Aug 27, 2010 9:26 PM
Mr Meeks, you do not have to forget in order to forgive.

I've been in the middle east (Iraq, Kuwait, Jordan and Dubai) and I have been literally feet away from to many explosions. Bombings happen on an almost daily basis in some of these areas. We should all take a moment and thank whatever deity we believe in that we live in a country were we have the luxury of remembering the 9/11 bombing as an isolated incident and not just another one of many.
Comment: #2
Posted by: Michelle Keane
Sat Aug 28, 2010 1:40 AM
There is a difference between letting go of a grudge or hurt, and forgetting the lesson. Yes, we remember the lesson of Pearl Harbor, but the majority of Americans no longer waste time and energy hating EVERY Japanese person on the planet. In that light, I understand what Ben's saying. Remember, learn, honor, but don't clutch the tragedy to our collective chest like a prized treasure. We don't even necessarily have to forgive, not yet, the pain is still fairly fresh, but at least pull the knife out so the wound can start to heal.
Comment: #3
Posted by: Kyla Jones
Sat Aug 28, 2010 6:25 AM
9/11 set a world record. It was the largest single massacre of US citizens. The previous such record was the Jonestown mass-suicide of 900 people. And that wasn't the work of Islam, but an American preacher. Jeffrey Dahmer wasn't a Muslim, neither was John Wayne Gacy or Tim McVeigh. It doesn't take Islam to kill 900 people.
Comment: #4
Posted by: Roger
Sat Aug 28, 2010 10:53 PM

Matt, you have to stop watching Fox News. 90% of the things you're arguing are falsehoods perpetuated by Fox. I'd list them point by point, but I suspect you have little interest in the truth. You've obviously bought into the ridiculous memes spread by dishonest politicians and pundits who are successfully manipulating you. I suppose you also "want to take your country back" and think America is a "Christian Nation," don't you?

Such language is well-established code used by Republicans since the 1960s to advocate the continued repression of minorities' rights. Concepts such as "we" versus "them" "states' rights" and allusions to moral degeneration were pioneered by Richard Nixon's racist "Southern Strategy," his 1968 election plan for exploiting the prejudices of the Deep South to shore up Republican votes. The legacy of such phrases obviously continues to this day, mostly on Fox News, Rush Limbaugh's show, and on Palin's Twitter feed.

Matt, unless you desire to be used as a stooge who's easily convinced to vote against your own best interest, I implore you to refresh your memory of political history. The right wing is using you, plain and simple. The more you fear "them" and hate "them" the more likely you are to vote for politicians who stoke those fears and divide the country.

Watch this video on the History Channel: history.com/videos/ask-steve-southern-strategy#ask-steve-southern-strategy

Oh, and the owner of the Cordoba Corporation? He's so "extreme" that George W Bush appointed him to travel to the middle east with the US State Department to advocate for religious tolerance. Oh, and he's a MAJOR shareholder of Fox news -- yep, the man building the Muslim Community Center (which is modeled after the YMCA -- it contains a gym, a pool, tennis courts and classrooms along with a mosque) in lower Manhattan is one of the biggest investors in Fox news. Funny how you don't seem to know that, huh?
Comment: #5
Posted by: Johanna
Sun Aug 29, 2010 12:15 PM
Oops -- sorry, it's not the "Cordoba Corporation" it's the Cordoba Initiative. My bad.
http://www.cordobainitiative.org/
Comment: #6
Posted by: Johanna
Sun Aug 29, 2010 12:21 PM
Re: the mosque, I agree with Ben. We can cherish the memories of the people who died in the 9/11 attack. (My brother's wife's sister died there, so I'm no stranger to the pain of loss; my family has been through it.) We can hate terrorism of all kinds, and hate the 9/11 attack, an act of mass murder which killed hundreds of innocent people. But to misuse our hatred of terrorism, and direct it against Muslims, as is happening in so many places in the United States, now, is an insult to everyone who's ever died to keep America a FREE nation where people of EVERY faith can worship according to their hearts.

Matt, you mention that there are already a lot of mosques in New York. That being the case, you need to get over your angst at having one more. (It's also time for those who are so upset about the proposed mosque, to stop repeating the Fox News Lie that the mosque is "at Ground Zero." It's two blocks away from it.)

To Mr. Meeks, I agree with you that we should not forget 9/11. But nor should we forget what American stands for. We should never cave in to those who want to use jingoism and anti-Muslim sentiment to stir up sentiments against Muslims. They (the people spreading vitriol against Muslims, and demanding that the mosque not be built) are the ones undermining America and the freedom this country stands for.
Comment: #7
Posted by: sarah morrow
Sun Aug 29, 2010 8:55 PM
FNC is no more fictious than CNN or MSNBC - or any of them. We ae all going to belive what we want to believe. But here is what I know about that damn Mosque - as quoted by Liberal-based news stations and Conservative-based news stations alike - 68 to 70 % (the reposts vary per source but it's still the MAJORITY) are against this mosque being built. Whatever their reasons for not wanting it is unimportant...what IS important that in our "majority rules" nation - the majority don't want it.

Why does everyone seem to "forget" that...?
Comment: #8
Posted by: Molly B
Mon Aug 30, 2010 10:04 AM
FNC is no more fictious than CNN or MSNBC - or any of them. We ae all going to belive what we want to believe. But here is what I know about that damn Mosque - as quoted by Liberal-based news stations and Conservative-based news stations alike - 68 to 70 % (the reposts vary per source but it's still the MAJORITY) are against this mosque being built. Whatever their reasons for not wanting it is unimportant...what IS important that in our "majority rules" nation - the majority don't want it.

Why does everyone seem to "forget" that...?
Comment: #9
Posted by: Molly B
Mon Aug 30, 2010 10:04 AM
OH - and at the Ramadan dinner the President had - it is now called Park51 ... not the Cordoba Initiative as it was originally proposed to be named.
Comment: #10
Posted by: Molly B
Mon Aug 30, 2010 10:07 AM
There's quite a thorough and informative discussion of the proposed Islamic community center on Wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cordoba_House
Comment: #11
Posted by: Van Wickle
Mon Aug 30, 2010 11:35 AM
Molly, your argument is insanely ignorant and painfully short-sighted. In the 1968, 70% of the American public believed that interracial marriage should remain illegal. Were they right? Heck no. Were they likely to make the same argument that you're making now? Heck, yes. Were their opinions formed by dishonest race-baiting and fear mongering of pundits, supremacists, and politicians? The same way you're forming your fear-based opinion today? YES.

Furthermore, Fox is not on par with MSNBC and CNN when it comes to accuracy. The hysterical fact that you even try to assert this as some "fact" proves only that you're painfully uninformed or, most likely, watch nothing but Fox -- because Fox is they ONLY place where you'd get such a ridiculous notion.
Comment: #12
Posted by: Johanna
Mon Aug 30, 2010 10:22 PM
Wow - hit a nerve, Johanna, did I? First of all - I said nothing of my OWN opinion about weather I wanted the Mosque built or not...I don't care one way or the other - I only stated that the majority of American Citizens do not want the mosque built - and weather their reasons are right or wrong - that is the majoirty and we are a majority country...or last I knew we were. Second of all - I do watch FNC AND I watch MSNBC AND I watch CNN - which is where I got that the majority of Americans were against this mosque. I also found several (Conservative & Liberal) articles stating the same thing. RIGHT OR WRONG. The point - the only point - is that the majority are against it. It is a fact. A fact. Get it? A fact. Not my opinion. Not my idea. Not mine at all. Just a fact.
And you are insanely ignorant if you think that ANY news network is all honest, all the time. They all embilish stories, especially to sway to their way of thinking. It's what they do. It's why we watch them. It's why most choose one over another.
I respect eveyone's opinion's about this...I never insulted you or anyone, I simply put out there what is fact. But you come on here and tell my argument is insanely ignorant. Johanna - it wasn't even an argument. I wasn't arguing for or against. I was stating a fact. And you can't argue FACTS.
You may call me what you want - but I assure I'm not "painfully uninformed", nor do I have a "fear based opinon" because sugar, I don't have an opinion at all. I give a crap less if the mosque is built. The ONLY thing that bothers me - the thing that SHOULD be important but seems to have gotten pushed aside is that most people don't want it and no one seems to be listening to that.
You are quick to insult and you didn't even really read what I wrote. You made an assumption - and it wasn't even correct and now you are the one who appears to be "painfully uninformed".
Comment: #13
Posted by: Molly B
Wed Sep 1, 2010 12:23 PM
here's from CNN...just to back up my "facts"...ONE of many articles found about it.

Overwhelming majority oppose mosque near Ground Zero
Posted: August 11th, 2010 01:02 PM ET
(CNN) - A proposed mosque to be built two blocks from the World Trade Center has little support nationwide, a new CNN/Opinion Research Corporation Poll suggests.

According to the new survey out Wednesday, nearly 70 percent of all Americans oppose the controversial plan to build the mosque just blocks away from the solemn site in lower Manhattan while just 29 percent favor the construction.

Full results [pdf]

Broken down by party affiliation, 54 percent of Democrats oppose the plans while 82 percent of Republicans disapprove. Meanwhile, 70 percent of independents said they are against the proposal.

The poll also showed opposition did not vary widely by age.


"Support for the controversial project is slightly higher among younger Americans than older Americans, but even among those under the age of 50, six in ten oppose the plan," said CNN Polling Director Keating Holland.

Plans to build the $100 million, 13-story 'Cordoba House' three blocks from the site of the attacks on September 11, 2001 have sparked an emotional debate throughout the city. The developer, Sharif El-Gamal, describes the project as an "Islamic community center" that will include a 500-seat performing arts center, a lecture hall, an exhibition space, a swimming pool, a gym, a culinary school, a restaurant and a prayer space for Muslims.
Comment: #14
Posted by: Molly B
Wed Sep 1, 2010 12:41 PM
After reading so many comments on this issue and growing more tiresome by the minute, I decided to make a few points of my own. Throughout this country's history, there have been reasons to make argument on countless issues; the mosque is the newest to grab our attention as a people. I, for one, am not Muslim, nor am I anti-Muslim. I am, however, anti-Radical Muslim. September 11th is the newest entry for the words of Franklin D. Roosevelt: “a date which will live in infamy.” We cannot forget the morbid devastation that caused us so much grief on that day. We cannot forget the suffering of those relatives affected by the cowardice puppet masters that recruited and radicalized young jihadists into giving their lives, while taking so many. We cannot forget that the planes missed the true fiber of this country that makes it strong. Mostly, we cannot forget that- Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances. If this sounds familiar to any of you, thank your high school Government teacher. This is the 1st Amendment. What is understandable about the building of a mosque near ground zero is the uproar and attention it is getting. We want to question the motives of those who want to build it in this location. Why are you doing this here? Don't you know how much hate it will bring? Are you doing this to rub it in our faces? We want to cite old examples in support of knocking down the idea of building a place of worship. If you think about old examples, take into account that the order to crucify Jesus came from the authority of Rome. Where is the Vatican? Why do we not protest its existence when the savior of the world was put to death and the location from which the order came made a home for his teachings? Who cares what lies or truths the news networks are reporting? We are taught that we have to accept things the way they are or change them, but not just to suit our own needs. We cannot pick and choose our Americanism. We either are Americans or we are not. In saying this, we now want to throw out the Bill of Rights and tell people where they can worship. If we are arguing the right of people of the same sex to marry, why in the world are we not fighting for the right to practice religion? The bottom line of my statement is this: Let them build the mosque. If there are threats to national security; act. If not, leave them alone. If this is a mockery of September 11, 2001, then the mosque will only fail as it was built on other-than-holy intentions.
Elbert T


Comment: #15
Posted by: Elbert
Wed Sep 1, 2010 2:52 PM
Molly B,
Your rambling, illogical response proved my point rather nicely. You seem to believe opinions are laws and that polls are equivalent to votes. No wonder ignorant narcissists like Sarah Palin and puppeteers like the Koch brothers are getting rich off Republicans. If it wasn't so scary, it would be hysterical.
Comment: #16
Posted by: Johanna
Wed Sep 1, 2010 7:11 PM
Johanna,
I do not believe opinions are laws...but we live in a Majoirtiy rules nation and I believe in that. The government works for US - the citizens.
I have no fear of a mosque being built - I spent 13 months of my life with Muslims and learning and observing how they live and act and practice their religion. I spent 13 months escorting the President, Vice President, Prime Minister of Iraq, and other dignitaries from that country, around. I took them where ever they needed to go. I ate dinner with them. I talked shop with them. I shot anyone who tried to get close to them that wasn't supposed to be close to them. We had a mutual respect for each other. And I would do it again in a heartbeat.
This isn't a voting matter and yes these are "opinions" but they are the ideas and opinions of the people that our government works for and it should count for something.
I'm not sure what point you are even trying to prove...that I'm illogical? Painfully uninformed? Full of fear? Well if painfully uninformed means actually listening to what my fellow American Citizens are saying, then yes - I guess I am. If it means spending a year of my life immersed in Muslim culture then yes, I am. If fear means putting my life in danger to protect a Muslim - then yes ma'am - I am a scaredy cat.
If calling me names makes you feel better - go right ahead. Because I also believe in everyone having the right to their own ideas even IF they do not coincide with mine and it doesn't hurt my feelings one bit. I am patriotic. I'm a Army veteran and I would fight to the death for your right to call me names. Have at it, mama.
Comment: #17
Posted by: Molly B
Thu Sep 2, 2010 10:56 AM
You seem to be defending yourself against an imaginary assault instead of anything I wrote. The only name I called you was Molly. You're offended by that?
Comment: #18
Posted by: Johanna
Thu Sep 2, 2010 2:38 PM
Johann, an imaginary assault?

"The hysterical fact that you even try to assert this as some "fact" proves only that you're painfully uninformed " and "The same way you're forming your fear-based opinion today?" oh yes, let's not forget "Molly, your argument is insanely ignorant ..."

Maybe name-calling isn't the correct term, however in your defense of your "opinon" you attempt to assault my intelligence and character simply because my opinon varies from yours. And you are mistaken if you believe me to be offended. What I am, is tired of such arguments, however valid you may think them.

I'm not arguing about a mosque being built near or around or on or in the vincity of ground zero. It breaks my heart that our country seems to have forgotten that our government works for us. They aren't supposed to go and get to do whatever they want to do. They are supposed to do what the "people" want. If the majority of Americans were in favor of a Mosque - I would be "arguing" the same exact thing if the majority were being ignored. It isn't about the "what" - it's about the principle of America being what it is because we are country FOR the people, not the government. How is that even an argument? And nothing you say or do, no insult to my intelligence or character, is going to change the fact that I believe in what our country stands for...and that is Democracy. The mosque isn't my agument...Democracy is.

You seem to think I don't want the mosque. It has nothing to do with what I - the individual - want and everything to do with what the people of our country want. Maybe it isn't right - again, not my argument, but that doesn't change the fact that 70% of Americans do not want it. Their reasons are their own and may or may not be right - that isn't what is important. I can argue all day long to that majority of people - but they still out number the 30% who do want it and well - in a Democracy that is what counts.

Definition of DEMOCRACY
1a : government by the people; especially : rule of the majority
b : a government in which the supreme power is vested in the people and exercised by them directly or indirectly through a system of representation usually involving periodically held free elections




Comment: #19
Posted by: Molly B
Thu Sep 2, 2010 4:02 PM
Do you know what a POLL is?
Do you know a poll is NOT a vote?
Do you know the results of that poll are totally irrelevant to the LAW?
Majority rule only counts in ELECTIONS.
If this question was put to a vote....well, it would never make it on to the ballot.
It's UNCONSTITUTIONAL! Polls do not change the US Constitution....and the fact that you seem to think public polls have ANY connection to the government being "for the people" is, well, IGNORANT.
Notice, I'm not calling you an ignoramus. That would be name-calling. I'm saying your opinion is ignorant of the US Constitution. Your OPINION is uninformed; based on faulty beliefs or lack of information. Is that clear enough for you?
Here, let me try again --- the laws of America are not decided by POLLS. Polls are irrelevant to laws. Ignoring a poll is not saying the minority "wins" somehow. Ignoring a poll that says "70% don't want something" is not synonymous with abandoning democracy. In this democracy, we VOTE on laws that are written within the bounds of the US Constitution. The question: "do you want the mosque to be built" is NOT a question of LAW. It is clearly LEGAL for them to build it, even if 99% of people "don't want it" and guess what? That's how it should be. It's impossible to defend freedom and simultaneously support the idea that a "majority rules" if the majority wants take away freedom from ANYONE -- even those you dislike. That's why this question will NEVER be on a ballot; it's unconstitutional regardless of polls.
Get it?
Somehow, I doubt you do.
Comment: #20
Posted by: Johanna
Thu Sep 2, 2010 7:54 PM
I do understand that IT IS NOT A VOTE. I understand it will never make it to the ballot. ALL I am saying is that YES - these peoples opinons SHOULD count for something because THEY are the ones who voted this governemnt into office.

And I understand ENTIRELY what you are saying. But if opinons shouldn't matter -than yours shouldn't either. I am not disputing that this would never be on a ballot. All I am saying is that our government should, at the minimum, take into consideration what it's people want.

I believe in the right to practice religion - ANY religion - in our country. Peacful religion. These 70% have been slapped in the face by a Muslim practicing terrorist. They are afraid. They are insulted. They should be allowed to be heard and even if their argument isn't valid they deserve the respect to be heard without being called "ignorant". I know that all Muslims are not terrorists. Just as I know that not all Christians are "good" Christians. But someone came in and scared the crap out of nearly everyone in our country - and they should be allowed to voice their concerns without being insulted. Just as you are allowed to voice yours.

I'm afraid my point has been missed entirely and so I, respecfully and gracefully, bow out.
Comment: #21
Posted by: Molly B
Fri Sep 3, 2010 6:53 AM
Molly B
I think what you may be ignoring, what Johanna is trying to say, is that this country has never been ruled strictly by the idea that "majority rules." (BTW we're technically not a democracy, but a republic.) This country has been from day one been ruled but the concept "Majority rules, unless it interferes with minority rights." The Bill of Rights was written even before the Constitution had been ratified by all the states. The fact that it's called the Bill of Rights reflects how important minority rights were to the founders of this nation. The fact that polls show so many Americans don't want this is irrelevant. They have the right to build it, that trumps the majority. This is a case where the government if right to ignore the majority, because it is an equal part of their job to protect the rights of the minority. In all honesty, I feel the government regular ignores the majority on issues that are not a matter of minority rights, and they are often wrong to do so in those cases.
Comment: #22
Posted by: Kylynara
Fri Sep 3, 2010 5:14 PM
I'm really not rying to dispute the right to build it...I'm just trying to say - even IF nothing can be come of a majoirity voice, they at least deserve to be listened to..."i hear what you are saying...BUT..." WITHOUT BEING INSULTED.

That yes their opinions DO matter, even if nothing can be done about it. Because they voted our government. That's all I was trying to say. That's it. And so many people come in and sling mud and insult our citizens for trying to voice (their right) how they feel.
Comment: #23
Posted by: Molly B
Sat Sep 4, 2010 8:40 AM
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