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Unwarranted Guilt
Dear Margo: I am married with two almost-teenagers. We aren't rich, but we're comfortable. I have a cousin who has two children. One is near my children's age. This one has spent summers with us for years, and we have taken him on almost every family vacation. He is like a third kid.
My cousin's other child is only 5, and he visits us sometimes but does not accompany us on vacations and weekend trips like his older brother. I cannot take care of all four, especially since the 5-year-old requires so much attention that it's like work for me having him around.
Since my cousin works a minimum-wage job and is a single mother, I worry that the younger child will grow up without the experiences of his older brother. We've taken trips to the Bahamas, Disney World, you name it. The younger child will not have these memories, and I feel guilty. But if we include the younger child, then my vacation is spent taking care of a very high-maintenance child, and it really takes the fun out of the trip for all of us. That doesn't seem fair to my kids. Your thoughts? — Wanting To Do the Right Thing
Dear Want: In this situation, let us borrow from the law and go to motive and intent. Your instincts are generous in that you include your nephew, and your intent is that you and your family, plus the cousin, have a good time on vacation. Your motive in excluding the younger child is not petty — i.e., it's not that you dislike him but that he requires a kind of attention the other kids don't.
Given all the considerations you mention, I would not beat myself up over the little one not having the same experiences as his brother. Whenever there's an appreciable disparity in age, all kids in all families have different experiences. Bag the guilt because there really is no cause for it. Party on. — Margo, sensibly
Sometimes There Are No Solutions
Dear Margo: I don't want to even mention their names, but I have read about hook-up sites online that are quite specific. There are sites for housewives who want to make extra money, for housewives who just want to have a fling, for married men, and there's even one that offers "older sugar daddies" to young women who need financial help with school or whatever. Aren't such things against the law? Prostitution is against the law. I understand that there's nothing I can do about all this, but am I so last century that I find this disgraceful? What is going on here? — No Prude
Dear No: What is going on is what has always been going on ... only now the ability to advertise such things is as easy as turning on your phone or a computer. The only way public outcry has proved to be effective is when the ads are on sites where they are incidental, such as Craigslist. After a couple of murders and several crimes were traced to ads they accepted, their policies tightened up. There was also a big kerfuffle about the raunchy personal section in the Village Voice, for example.
One complication is that there are competing interests involved: the First Amendment, for one, freedom of the press, and legal statutes that vary by state. There will always be sex as commerce. It is just unfortunate that the downside of unlimited Internet content is content that many find offensive and destructive. In case you haven't noticed, it's impossible to even control porn. So count me as someone who, with you, is "so last century" but is trying to accept — and recognize —the things I cannot change. — Margo, regrettably
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Simply wait two or three years til the kid is older, then take him. Or take him, but choose a resort that has one of those Kids Clubs so he can get lots of exercise while you do something more age-appropriate with the older kids.
Comment: #1
Posted by: Jane
Fri May 3, 2013 3:44 AM
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LW1--So let me get this straight, you're willing to exclude one of your cousin's kids because you don't want to have to do any work? Okay, that's fine but own the fact that you're blatantly favoring one child over the other because of your own selfish reasons.
LW2--Sweetie what goes on between consenting adults is none of your business. End of story.
Comment: #2
Posted by: Chris
Fri May 3, 2013 4:25 AM
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In short I totally agree with Chris' answer 1000% to both LW 1 and 2.
LW1, I get that you don't want to take care of five year old and why BUT even you feel it is unfair to him when you take his much older brother and not him. Its not his fault that he is five. Why not do some more low key stuff here and there for few years and knock off the big vacations. Save the money till he is older. Or how about not taking the nephew? One less person can be huge on the pocket book while on vacation and would be more fair. Then take both boys for more one day activity like zoos or near by amusement park like Valley Fair (if you lived in Minnesota) but it would be one day and not too expensive.
LW2: Sites like that are there for reason. As long as women reply to them . . .
Comment: #3
Posted by: Kath
Fri May 3, 2013 5:08 AM
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I find it a bit much to expect LW to plan her family's vacations around her five year old nephew's needs ("knock off the big vacations...save the money till he is older..."). When the five year old is old enough, LW's teenagers may be out of the house and there will be more family vacations, or at least they will be far rarer. I find it reasonable to take the same-age child who can hang out with the other kids, as opposed to a bored much younger child who can't keep up, can't participate in the same activities, and needs to be monitored much more closely.
However, there is an answer in Kath's response. Take the younger nephew on other experiences that he CAN appreciate and don't throw off a whole vacation. Parks, zoos, kid-friendly stuff that your teenagers might also enjoy on occasion. Maybe take him for a weekend every now and then. And if you still feel guilty that older nephew has had experiences younger nephew has not, perhaps as he does get older, you can help him have great experiences too via generous gifts and helping him travel (i.e. send him train tickets to NYC for Christmas or something), even if the family vacations are done with by then.
Comment: #4
Posted by: Jers
Fri May 3, 2013 5:25 AM
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Is this older nephew even THAT much older? She says her own kids are "almost-teenagers" and that her older nephew is near her kids' age. So they're what, maybe 11-13? Kids that age need a little less work than a 5 year old, sure, but it's not like they require no parenting. She also says the older one has spent every summer with them "for years", so maybe she was taking him when he was 5. And that would have been when her own kids were around that age too, making it WAY more work than one 5 year old would be.
Of course she's not obligated to take the young kid along on vacation but the reasoning doesn't seem that strong to me.
Comment: #5
Posted by: Alexandra
Fri May 3, 2013 5:55 AM
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It seems to me that when you are on vacation it is the perfect time for your cousin to step up and take the little one to the zoo or other fun places. It is really her place to ensure that he is getting the extra attention. Having older sibs I can attest that the little guy does not get everything the older ones get and I don't remember feeling left out. "Your time will come.". I'm sure it didn't come wrapped in comparable packaging, but that's life. I'd say your guilt is not reasonable, you are allowing the boys mom some freedom and giving her older child wonderful memories. You really are not responsible for entertaining the whole gang. I think you're pretty special doing a much as you are.
Comment: #6
Posted by: Penny
Fri May 3, 2013 6:35 AM
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I'll tell you what the problem is. The older cousin is around the same age as her children and there is a 5-8 year age difference. The three older children would go off by themselves and leave the adults to entertain the little one, who then feels left out and acts out. Been there, done that. I was left out like that when I was a kid and acted out because it made me mad.
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Comment: #7
Posted by: p
Fri May 3, 2013 6:48 AM
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LW1 -
She doesn't owe any of these two kids ANYTHING.
She does owe her own children not to ruin their time, and waste so much time catering to a kid not hers that her own end up being neglected. Yes, it does look like favouritism, but the only alternative is to stop taking the older boy, and he's done nothing to deserve that, indeed the 5 year-old would be to blame.
When the 5 year-old starts questioning, he can then be told that his own bevahour is the cause. It'll be up to him then to become manageable. If he doesn't, it's certainly won't be his aunt's fault.
Kids the age of pre-teens also have very different interests from a 5 year-old's. The entire group - the LW, her husband, the nephew and both her kids would end up at the service of the 5 year old's needs.
How many people are inconvenienced if he comes along, all the name of "fairness"? Five. How many people are inconvenienced if he stays home? One. And considering he's being left behind because of his own high maintenance issues, I think I see clearly what's really fair here.
Comment: #8
Posted by: Lise Brouillette
Fri May 3, 2013 6:56 AM
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Re: p
Right on!
Comment: #9
Posted by: Lise Brouillette
Fri May 3, 2013 6:57 AM
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LW1 said the younger nephew was 'high maintenance'. That sounds like he requires a lot more parental work than the other ones, for whatever reasons. She's not comfortable taking him places, so she doesn't do it, but feels guilty about it. But, what if his 'high maintenance' is actually special needs, and she not only doesn't want the extra work he entails, but doesn't KNOW how to manage him? Depending on what his issue is, special needs could easily require special knowledge that she doesn't have. And really, having 3 older children she does know how to handle comfortably would be enough work on its own, I wouldn't want a much younger child added to that mix either, even without the high maintenance tag. Either the younger boy will grow out of his high maintenance ways, or he will always be extra work, and - she's not his mother. Somebody else said it's his own mother's job to provide special times for him, not aunties job - I totally agree! Maybe the times she takes the older child with her are HIS own special times that he wouldn't get without auntie taking him along? Maybe him being on vacay gives Mom time to devote to the younger boy? It is what it is. I had nieces and a nephew I didn't take anywhere when they were small because they were horrible brats. It took a lot of growing up before those kids were attractive to be around - for me OR my children. I would never take a child along with whom my children didn't get along, that's a recipe for a really bad event or vacation!
Comment: #10
Posted by: Melinda
Fri May 3, 2013 7:10 AM
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I don't see favoritism. LW is entitled to her vacation, and I can certainly see how adding a high maintenance 5-y.o. to the mix would tip the balance. The other child is old enough to fend for himself and go off with his cousins for a while. He can get himself up and dressed, help prepare meals and clean up. He doesn't really represent much extra work.
LW can start compensating now by taking the 5-y.o. out alone for brief, kid-appropriate outings, such as pizza and a movie, or ice skating and hot chocolate. In a few years, the younger child will probably be more self-sufficient and better behaved. Then LW can start taking him on short vacations, and the older child can maybe stay home occasionally.
One last thought: if you have the money to include the mother, and get them a separate room, you get your vacation, and so do they.
Comment: #11
Posted by: Carla
Fri May 3, 2013 7:18 AM
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I think the LW1 is great doing what she is doing. Of course she is not required or even expected to pay for the cousin and her 5 yo's vacation. That would be like saying, "she only gave me $100 why not $200? If I were the cousin, I would be overwhelmed at the LW's generosity for including AND paying for the older son. It does not say that the cousin has even mentioned this precieved inequity. I believe she is thankful for the great times her older son is having. LW1, keep on keeping on. You're a special lady.
Comment: #12
Posted by: Penny
Fri May 3, 2013 7:51 AM
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LW1 -- Now that your kids are 'almost teenagers' -- would they be willing to do some oversight of the 5 year old in short shifts? Maybe take the whole family out for a less glamorous outing (miniature golf/arcade/etc.?), and maybe have the kid stay overnight now and then. That way, you can gradually expose him to your family's rules and codes of conduct. Unless he's really got issues, he'll learn that what's acceptable at his house simply isn't at yours, and he'll adjust just fine. Also, I'm not sure where you live, but if you can afford it, lots of hotels offer kid friendly activities that are supervised by qualified staff, so you'd get a break. I just think NOT including the kid at all is too extreme, and as the entire family gets older, everyone may regret not having tried a little more.
Comment: #13
Posted by: deb
Fri May 3, 2013 8:59 AM
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After reading the comments about LW1, I have to say I'm on the fence on this one. I think if I had answers to two questions, I might be able to pick a side:
1) Is the 5-year-old more work simply because of his age (that is how I read the letter -- not that he's a brat, not that he's special needs, just the sheer fact that even a terrific, well-behaved 5-year-old requires more/different work than older kids), or is there an actual behavioral problem at work here?
2) Have they ever actually attempted to include the 5-year-old on any of these trips? I get the impression that the 5-year-old has never been taken on any of these trips and the LW is just assuming it's going to be miserable for her and everyone else if they bring him. She could be right, and may be basing that on experiences she's had with him just at their house for a few hours. But again, if she's never given him a chance, then she doesn't know for sure that everyone's going to be miserable.
I give the LW props for all that she's done for the one child. I also give her props for feeling some guilt about her not wanting to do the same for the younger one. While I agree that she doesn't necessarily "owe" the same treatment to the younger child, I suspect that the reason she feels guilty is because she knows that the only "sin" the younger child has committed was being born too long after her own children. I really don't think this is an issue of a kid with behavioral problems or special needs -- it's the simple fact that 5-year-olds have totally different interests and needs than "almost teenagers," and that can make it a whole lot more difficult to find things that everyone is going to enjoy, etc.
So, I guess my advice is, if she hasn't already attempted to take the younger one with them once to see how it goes, that she should consider giving that a try. Years ago, when my niece and nephew were probably 4-ish and 9-ish, they came to stay with my husband and me for a weekend while their parents were attending a wedding that required an overnight stay. At that point, I still had no children and had no desire to have any. When the kids stayed with me, they were perfect angels -- I mean, INCREDIBLY well-behaved, easy to please, etc. Toward the end of their stay, I learned why. Apparently my brother and SIL had sat them down before packing them off to my house and said, "look, if you ever want to have even the slightest chance of having any cousins, you had better behave or Aunt Lisa is NEVER going to agree to give you any!" Apparently, that little threat/explanation worked, as they were definitely on their best behavior while they were there. Definitely not their fault that it was still another 8 years or so before I would finally provide them with a cousin!
Comment: #14
Posted by: Lisa
Fri May 3, 2013 12:44 PM
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One other thing -- my brother and his family recently took a vacation to an amusement park/resort that I happen to live only about 2.5 hours away from (by car). We had originally hoped that we would be able to join them for a couple of days while they were there, but we just weren't able to do it. When I talked with my brother after their vacation to hear how everything went, he told me how totally amazing it was. He had been concerned that his 17-year-old son, who no doubt would have preferred to go on spring break to some beach with his friends rather than heading to a "kiddie" vacation at an amusement park with his parents and 12-year-old sister. So, before they went, my brother sat down with his son and said, "I know you're getting old for this place, and I know you'd probably rather be heading somewhere cool with your friends, but you're stuck with us, so, you have two choices. You can be miserable the whole time and try to ruin it for everyone else, or you can embrace being a kid again for a week and enjoy it. The choice is yours. I would suggest making the most of it." When they got on the plane to head to their destination, my nephew said to his dad, "I hope you realize that we are going to ride every single ride -- even the ones that are for the littlest of kids. I mean it -- EVERY RIDE!" My brother knew then that his son had decided to make the most of it, instead of sulking. When he was telling me about it, I was so happy for my brother and his family that they had such a great trip, and I then said, "well, for as disappointed as we were that we didn't get to join you, I guess in a way I'm really glad we didn't. My son is a great kid, but he's 20 months old -- between needing to figure out how to accommodate his nap schedule and all that other stuff, we would have held you guys up."
I mention this story, in tandem with the one I shared previously, about my brother sitting his kids down to talk with them about their behavior while staying with Auntie Lisa, for two reasons. One is to point out that when you talk with kids and explain your expectations and/or their choices, they MIGHT actually do what you are hoping they will do. If LW takes my advice and tries taking the younger cousin with them on a trip, she should sit down with him and the other kids to talk about her expectations for the trip.
The other point, however, is that I really DO understand how a wide difference in ages absolutely CAN make it extremely difficult to "blend" and accommodate the different needs and interests. There's nothing wrong with my son -- he's just a typical toddler. There's nothing wrong with my niece and nephew -- they are typical teenagers (well, niece is only 12, but still...). And actually, my niece LOVED helping out with my son when we stayed with them at Christmas. But there is a big difference between entertaining a toddler in your own home, and dealing with him at an amusement park. I believe everyone would still have had fun, but it definitely would have been a far different vacation had we joined them.
Comment: #15
Posted by: Lisa
Fri May 3, 2013 1:01 PM
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LW1: Like a lot of people you don't really understand the concept of right and wrong. Most people confuse it with, "how best to make sure everyone likes me and views me as a good person", crap. You're not harming anyone and that child is not your responsibility. Also, not to confuse you with reality but a child that young will not remember or appreciate any of those vacations so save your money and your sanity.
LW2: Huh? Last century? WTH? LOL Prostitution is considered the oldest profession for a reason. Why don't you give that some thought? LMAO Idiot.
Comment: #16
Posted by: Diana
Fri May 3, 2013 3:42 PM
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LW1;
Margo is absolutely right. The fact is, younger kids get left out of some things their older siblings get to do, simply because they're OLDER. That's just life.
Comment: #17
Posted by: JMM
Fri May 3, 2013 5:35 PM
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Diana, you are SO funny! I have taken kids to Disney World at age 5 and younger... they're all adults now; they all have some memories of the trips. Let's not offer up "no memories!" as a way to weasel out of the discussion.
LW -- I agree with Lisa above who gives you the props for all you've done for the older nephew, and also some for the guilt you feel for never taking the younger one. You certainly don't have to be all even-steven -- not every trip is going to be appropriate for a kid as young as 5. But I think it's funny that you suggest Disney World, because DW makes such an effort to appeal to families with kids of ALL ages, and so with two adults, three almost-teens and an elementary school, it would be very doable. I've done it, with kids who were 7 years apart. It involves some flexibility and willingness to divide and conquer -- sometimes, I took the older one shopping or to concert at the House of Blues; sometimes, the younger one and I took an early afternoon break from the parks and splashed in the hotel pool.
Part of it boils down to expectation (again referencing Lisa and her brother's wise words to his 17 YO about a trip to Disney). There's something VERY cool about the quick chance to revisit childhood through another's eyes, whether you're meeting MIckey Mouse at Disney World or watching them observe Old Faithful's eruption or swimming in the hot springs at Yellowstone or looking up at an elephant at the local zoo or seeing them master the art of diving off the float in the raft at the beach at the lake cottage.
Also, LW, understand that there's a huge difference between traveling with three 5 to 7 YOs and one -- so please don't base your reaction to the idea of asking YN on your memories of traveling with his brother and your kids at roughly that age. You might want to try a few local excursions to see whether the 4 kids are a good fit.
Comment: #18
Posted by: hedgehog
Sat May 4, 2013 11:36 AM
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LW1: You already realize you are playing favorites, and that one chidl will be both disadvantages and hurt. So why are you continuing to do this? Can't you tell them both "OLDER KID, sorry, but we need to be fair to all the cousins and so we will be taking YOUNGER KID on vacation with us this year. But I promise, that next year, it'll be your turn again!"
Something like that
And I don't see why you think you have to take the younger kid (or either one for that matter) on vacations Why not spend a long weekend with the 5-year-old and take him to the local zoo? At age 5, that is enough to make him happy. Take a babysitter with you to help out. Sittercity.com has a ton, for aobut $13 an hour. 4 hours isn't that much to pay to make a kid happy.
Comment: #19
Posted by: Salty
Sun May 5, 2013 7:09 PM
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@JMM -- Not sure anyone will see this, as I'm posting after the fact, but... You wrote: The fact is, younger kids get left out of some things their older siblings get to do, simply because they're OLDER. That's just life. Well, not exactly. I am three years younger than my brother. Certainly, I didn't get to experience being the only child and being the center of everything 24-7 that my older brother had for the first three years of his life (not that he's likely to remember much of that). And certainly, there were things that my brother got to do before I could -- he stayed up later sooner, could stay over night at a friend's house sooner, etc. -- but eventually I got to do all those same things. So, the idea that younger ones always get left out -- sure, that happens, but it's usually temporary, and it usually has to do with stuff that simply isn't appropriate for younger kids to do. It doesn't really sound like the LW is planning on doing things that really aren't appropriate for a 5-year-old -- it's just that it can be more of a PITA to have a 5 YO along, when everyone else is 10-12 YO. And don't get me wrong, I do get that it's tougher. And I'm definitely not saying she should be OBLIGATED to take the younger kid along -- just as she was never obligated to take the older kid along. If she has already tried taking the child with them and it has proven to be a problem, then that's fine. But it sounds to me like she's just ASSUMING it's going to be a problem. If she's never given this a chance, then I think she should and see how it goes.
Comment: #20
Posted by: Lisa
Mon May 6, 2013 9:42 AM
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And I'm definitely not saying she should be OBLIGATED to take the younger kid along -- just as she was never obligated to take the older kid along
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Well, I'll rattle that cage. I think if you go out of your way to do something nice for one niece/nephew, it's on you to treat all siblings fairly. It would be beyond the pale, for instance, to offer a gift to one sibling but not the other at Christmas, correct?
LW needn't take Younger Nephew everywhere with them today. But she certainly could start with a trip; she could do the smaller day trips, she could bankroll his participation in an exchange program or a class trip to DW when he's a teen. In beginning the trips with his older brother, I think she has set herself up to provide some sort of extras for him... or she is indeed the aunt who basically indulged the older and never gave the younger a chance. Not ideal for good family relations.
Comment: #21
Posted by: hedgehog
Mon May 6, 2013 6:16 PM
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LW1: Of course it's the LWs preference to exclude who she wants, but I wouldn't particularly care for that solution. First of all, if the kids are, apparently 12, including his brother, then his BROTHER and the others should be spending time taking him around on rides that are fun for kids. And, specicifically focusing on Disney, you just have to take kids there when they are exactly the 5-year-olds age... they will go crazy with awe, and rightly so, which is fun for the adults as well. My visits there as a little kid are what drives and energizes going today - when I really thought the Peter Pan ride was flying, or the Pirates of the Caribbean were real. Being brought to them as a teenager for the first time, the kids would be going "I see the strings!" and whatnot, trying to be cool.
LW2: Here's a solution for you: STOP READING ABOUT HOOK UP SITES, and stop thinking you can DICTATE MORALITY. From the prostitution angle, I personally think it should be decriminalized because I don't want one thin dime of my tax money going to fight 2 people doing something that is NONE of my business, and concerns me in NO way. And what, now you think we should enact laws, and take taxpayers money so that we can send police around to people homes and quiz them and make sure they met in a manner you approve of as well? There are REAL issues and REAL problems to solve in this world, but a woman offering a quickie (of her own accord), or 2 guys anonymously meeting for a quick BJ is NOT one of them (I realize you were coming at it from the $ transaction standpoint, which I also don't give a rat's ass about)
Comment: #22
Posted by: Steve C
Mon May 6, 2013 8:42 PM
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Re: Lisa #15
"So, before they went, my brother sat down with his son and said, "I know you're getting old for this place, and I know you'd probably rather be heading somewhere cool with your friends, but you're stuck with us, so, you have two choices. You can be miserable the whole time and try to ruin it for everyone else, or you can embrace being a kid again for a week and enjoy it. The choice is yours. I would suggest making the most of it." When they got on the plane to head to their destination, my nephew said to his dad, "I hope you realize that we are going to ride every single ride -- even the ones that are for the littlest of kids. I mean it -- EVERY RIDE!" My brother knew then that his son had decided to make the most of it, instead of sulking. "
Give your brother and nephew a huge hug and plenty of kisses on the cheek on my behalf - LOVE both of their attitudes! "You can embrace being a kid again for a week and enjoy it", PRICELESS! And that the kid actually saw the worth of it and did it, he's obviously a chip from the old block. Love them, love them, love them!
(And love your attitude about your 10-month old son too! You all sound like great people.)
@Salty #19
"Sittercity.com has a ton, for aobut $13 an hour. 4 hours isn't that much to pay to make a kid happy."
No, it's not that much to keep a kid happy. Except that this is not her kid, she owes him strictly nothing, and that kind of expense would be the mother's responsibilty, not hers.
@Hedgehog #21
"It would be beyond the pale, for instance, to offer a gift to one sibling but not the other at Christmas, correct?"
You're mixing apples and oranges here. Buying an age-appropriate gift for both kids at Christmas is not the same as having to cater to the needs of different age groups on a trip.
@Stece C #22
"I personally think it should be decriminalized because I don't want one thin dime of my tax money going to fight 2 people doing something that is NONE of my business, and concerns me in NO way."
Clap clap clap clap clap clap clap clap clap clap clap clap, BRAVO! My sentiment exactly.
Netherlands legalised prostitution and the country didn't go to the dogs because of it. On a women's issue perspective, if the woman is willing to do that for a living, making it legal makes it a LOT safer for her. On a pragmatic issue perspective, whether it's legal or not, it will happen anyway, so it's far better to make it legal so to be able to CONTROL IT.
I would much rather that the women be officially repertoried and with an operating permit, medically cared for, have someone to turn to in case of abuse, and pay taxes to the government rather than to a mob or biker gang-connected pimp, get it? There wouldn't have BEEN a Robert William Pickton case in Vancouver, if the prostitutes had been legally and officially repertoried, as opposed to the lowest of the low, unrecorded anywhere and nobody missing them.
Typical case of, "if you can't beat 'em, join 'em". And "make the best of a bad situation".
Comment: #23
Posted by: Lise Brouillette
Tue May 7, 2013 7:16 PM
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