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A Benefit for Rape

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What's Bill O'Reilly doing at a benefit for rape victims and their families?

Helping them raise money. Last time I checked, that's a good thing.

I disagree with much of what Bill has to say on most subjects. I think he feels the same way about me. That's fine. But he happens to have a huge following.

Many people agree with him, respect him and might even give more money because of him to a foundation that provides financial support so that the families of rape victims can be with their loved ones during the investigation and trial of the criminal case — which is what the foundation he was supporting in Florida does. When you tell O'Reilly he's not welcome, you're also telling all the people who watch him every day that you're not so sure about them, either.

On the other hand, having him, and them, on your side can be a major help if you're trying to get something passed almost anywhere in the United States other than Berkeley and Cambridge.

So why exactly is it that we shouldn't let him help us? How is it that you get stronger by excluding people?

I tried to ignore this one for as long as I could. Were people really angry that O'Reilly spoke at a lunch for donors to a foundation that helps pay family hotel bills so daughters, sisters and wives don't have to go through rape trials alone?

Part of the to-do has just been ratings silliness: If ratings go up by attacking the other guy, what are you going to do? Another segment on where he didn't belong. But some of the outrage is coming from people I respect, who jumped into the fray.

I've been fighting for rape victims for longer than I've been fighting with O'Reilly. I wish the movement were so strong and my certainty that we had all the answers so great that it could be afforded the luxury of exclusivity.

It can't. We don't.

Thanks to the work of many, including the foundation O'Reilly supported, women who are raped have more people to look to for help in the search for justice. But for the overwhelming majority who are raped by men they know, the trip is not fundamentally different from how it's always been. These are not cases that the criminal justice system can punish: Consent is still "he said-she said," which is not something you can determine beyond a reasonable doubt, especially not when you're dealing with people who were drunk or stoned, started the night on a date, and are now disagreeing as to when, if at all, the date ended.

I don't believe in "blaming" the victim. I find blame a pretty useless emotion in all of this. My point is only that if the criminal justice system can't punish these cases, it's not going to be much of a deterrent, either. Are boys going to start respecting female autonomy — even when the young woman doesn't respect her own enough — and only take "yes" for an answer because they have reason to fear a rape charge by the soused woman they're making out with? Not unless she uses those exact words to explain it to him.

I have always believed that women need to learn to say "no" very clearly. Not in jest I say to them, "Don't say no, say rape." My daughter has convinced me that girls need to learn self-defense to give them the power to stand up for themselves not against armed rapists but against guys who come with an invitation. We need to teach girls to protect themselves, to stand up for themselves, not because they're to blame when they don't, but because they will pay the price.

O'Reilly and I don't agree on much, but he's not wrong to hold up a mirror for us, to focus us on what we need to teach our daughters, as well as our sons. And I would definitely take his money.

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You make more sense than anyone else out there. Despite the fact that you are a very liberal democrat, I have grown to respect your opinion. Keep it up. Jeff
Comment: #1
Posted by: Jeff Hendrix
Fri Mar 27, 2009 2:45 AM
Re: Jeff Hendrix

Ditto Jeff's comment, Susan. You're liberal, I'm conservative, and you are reasonable. We can find common ground. Carol in Pittsburgh
Comment: #2
Posted by: Carol in Pittsburgh
Mon Mar 30, 2009 7:00 AM
Just read your article and I certainly agree with you, however, the "activists" that you mention were not regular people who decided to come out and protest; I am sure you were aware and should have mentioned that these were people that came to protest were there under the organization of a "UNION". I find this very important to mention at a time when the so so-called Freedom of Choice Act is around so that people learn how the Unions operate; I don't see the freedom in someone looking over shoulder to see how you vote; I call that loss of privacy. If anyone is going to intimidate an employee it will not be the employer as they say, it is the Union members that intimidate people.
Comment: #3
Posted by: bea
Mon Mar 30, 2009 7:22 AM
My post probably does not make sense - It was supposed to go to Estrich's article on Families & AIG,
Comment: #4
Posted by: bea
Mon Mar 30, 2009 7:24 AM
“What's Bill O'Reilly doing at a benefit for rape victims and their families?” ------------------------------- Only “tolerant” liberals are arrogant and asinine enough to ask such a question. Indeed, the magnitude of hypocrisy and unjustified arrogance of “Liberals” is matched only they their unadulterated stupidity. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Susan Estrich is the “Perfect Liberal”, a white racist and hypocritical moron (WRHM). Consider recently a young professional man died, Lusk, in a Freestyle MX accident. Before his body was cold and while the family and friends were grieving she writes an article blaming Lusk for his own death, calling him stupid, calling his fans stupid, calling his friends stupid and even stating that such friends were no friends at all. Such is the compassion of a WRHM. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Now consider Estrich's compassion for rape victims. When it comes to rape victims, Ms. Estrich states: “Consent is still "he said-she said," which is not something you can determine beyond a reasonable doubt, especially not when you're dealing with people who were drunk or stoned, started the night on a date, and are now disagreeing as to when, if at all, the date ended.” In such situations Ms. Estrich states: “I don't believe in "blaming" the victim. I find blame a pretty useless emotion in all of this.” ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- So when a female willingly gets drunk and stoned and puts herself in harms way, playing the “blame game” is not productive. But when a professional dies in an MX accident, screw the MX dude, that stupid idiot got what he deserved and we need to blame him openly and call his family and friends stupid. Indeed. Such is the selective compassion of a “Liberal.” “Liberals” are the scourge of American society and such worthless individuals are far too common in our universities giving them access to our kids. It typically takes years for kids to recover from “liberal” indoctrination. Some, like Susan Estrich, never recover.
Comment: #5
Posted by: William Simmons
Tue Mar 31, 2009 4:20 AM
So it is okay that Bill O'Reilly is a sexual harasser who used his alleged "fame" to hound his former producer with bizarre and laughable sexual talk? He told Andrea Mackris he wanted to put his falafel on her. Granted, she made bank off of the lawsuit, but he is no less the sex predator for having paid up.
Next we have his discussion of why a woman who was wearing what he termed inappropriate clothing deserved and was asking to be raped. Of course he signed up to do a rape relief fundraiser right after this.
Now he sends his camera crew to stalk a woman who works for a blog while on vacation. What kind of creepy behavior are you advocating, Ms. Estrich? What is the price at which selling your rights as a woman to be secure in your person against attacks by warped and depraved stalker media personalities should be sold for media hype boosting the victims of his behavior?
Comment: #6
Posted by: Hertz Donut
Tue Mar 31, 2009 1:34 PM
I applaud your postive comments about Bill O'Reilly. He is not one of my favorites but I respect his right to express his as well I respect your right to express your opinions. I grow tired of excessive bashing of those in the media with whom they disagree. It just great to read something positive for a change. Good Job!
Comment: #7
Posted by: Ray Grimes
Wed Apr 1, 2009 6:22 PM
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