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Class Warfare: Q&A

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Demands to let taxes rise for Americans topping the income charts have led to charges of "class warfare" by the usual Republican suspects. To move the conversation forward, here are some questions and answers:

Question: Do you believe that only the rich should pay higher taxes?

Answer: Yes. When the economy gets better, people somewhat lower down on the income scale probably should pay something more. But let's start with the rich.

Q: Is it fair that the top 1 percent pay 38 percent of all taxes?

A: First, let's correct your number. It applies only to federal income taxes. When you add in payroll taxes, federal excise taxes (gasoline, for example) and various state taxes, the bottom 20 percent paid 12.3 percent of their income in taxes last year and the wealthiest 1 percent paid 7.9 percent. Does that sound fair to you?

With all these taxes in the mix, the top 1 percent paid only 21.5 percent of the total — and do note that they earned 20.3 percent of total personal income.

Q: Well, what about that 51 percent of households that owed no federal income tax in 2009? Huh?

A: So few Americans paid the federal income tax that year because the recession pushed many people's earning below the taxable level. In ordinary times, households that don't pay federal income tax range from 35 percent to 40 percent of the total. In 2007, the number was 38 percent.

Bear in mind that the Bush tax cuts removed many people (who were paying very little tax to begin with) off the tax rolls. Also, 17 percent of those who paid no income tax are over 65 and probably retired.

Q: Sen. Lindsey Graham defined class warfare as "when you pick one area of the economy and say we're going to tax those people because most people are not those people." Is it fair to let the American masses raise taxes on a small group of rich people?

A: Hmmm.

I don't recall the Republican from South Carolina complaining during the Bush years, when the top 1 percent receive an average tax cut of $34,992, while the middle 20 percent got $647.

Q: President Obama keeps going on and on about asking the wealthiest among them to "pay their fair share" in taxes. What on earth does "fair share" mean?

A: Beats me. Call me a technocratic bore, but I think the role of taxation is to pay for the cost of government in a way that causes the least distress. That means a progressive tax code that takes a larger percentage from those who can afford it most.

Q: You want to soak the rich, don't you?

A: No. They're already soaking — in a bathtub of Champagne.

Q: You hate the rich, don't you?

A: Absolutely not. I take them one tycoon at a time. Some I like a lot. But let me say this: I especially like rich people who don't play the martyr when asked to pay their taxes. I like Warren Buffett very much.

Q: Well, if Warren Buffett wants to pay more in taxes, who's stopping him?

A: That's very cute.

By the way, Bill Gross, the head of Pimco, the investment giant in Newport Beach, Calif., recently tweeted: "Class warfare by the 99 percent? Of course, they're fighting back after 30 years of being shot at." I like him, too.

Let me ask you a question: Are you better off than you were 11 years ago, when Bill Clinton was president, tax rates were higher and budgets balanced?

A: I'll have to get back to you on that.

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Well written, but there should be a quid pro quo from big government to seriously rein in spending. Not by 30 billion but by hundreds of billions. Forget the phony 450 billion for jobs, BO is painfully poor at creating anything other than a divided country. Citizens are being asked to sacrifice, the government should do the same. No more Solyndra's or other excursions into deep spending on projects the government has no business in. The money is used to pay down the debt and absolutely nothing else. Deal?

Sure.

Comment: #1
Posted by: Tom
Tue Oct 18, 2011 5:33 AM
Where are you pulling these numbers from? I keep hearing again and again that the rich are not paying their taxes. I am one of those people that President Obama considers rich. I make more than $250,000. I make significant, aggressive effort to use every deduction available to me, and I have not paid less than 25% of my net income in federal taxes (including payroll taxes) in the last 10 years. When I include federal excise taxes and state taxes, the number easily exceeds 30%. I know, I personally write the check every year. Where do you pull 7.9% from? Where? Does your same source have a listing of these peoples' accountants? Because I want one! And yes, Warren Buffet should be ashamed of himself if he spouts the need for the rich to pay more taxes and then aggressively manipulates the system to pay as little as possible. That's hypocrisy.
Comment: #2
Posted by: Ted Bennion
Tue Oct 18, 2011 6:42 PM
according to your stats... the poor, when they pay gasoline taxes and sales tax it takes a bigger percentage of their income than the wealthy... Well, DUH! how in the world do you think that we could make a sales tax more fair?
make the wealthier among us pay a higher SALES tax? are you calling for a bigger bureaucracy to regulate that?
If you want to know how in the world people are getting MORE money back from the IRS than they put in...read the IRS documents on EARNED INCOME TAX CREDITS...and then tell me how fair you think that is!
Comment: #3
Posted by: Cee Cordova
Wed Oct 19, 2011 1:30 PM
Whether I agree with your opinion or not, you could be a speech or propaganda writer the way you sway with partial information. But, it is an opinion column.
Q1. The rich should pay more taxes? (Is that a percentage?) Okay, simply put: $200.00 is rich to those that make $100.00, $2000.00 rich to $1000, $1,000,000 to $500.00, etc. So start where for the rich?
Q2. If your going to give a figure to the top 1%, shouldn't you compare with the other 99%, not 20%?
Q3. So people got pushed below the tax level to pay no taxes? Isn't that like a tax deduction or loop hole that other's under the top 1% can't get?
Q4. You didn't respond to Sen. Graham's statement, Hmmm
Q5. If it "Beats me", you sure gave YOUR definition.
Q6. Cute...
Q7. Cute...
Q8. Well???
Q9. Yes, get back to me in 11 years...isn't hind sight great?
Comment: #4
Posted by: kevin dipiazza
Wed Oct 19, 2011 1:37 PM
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