Some Dreams Refuse To Die

You are a leftist.
Moronic leftist,IMO.
Jesus never spoke about the USA...duh...didn't exist.
But, He spoke about following laws, both God's law and Caesar's law, which you choose to ignore.


And you are encouraging illegal behavior.
Go to Mexico and fight to make that country a livable country and stop leeching off the USA.
You can live there too, if Mexico allows you.
Where do you live weith your illegal neighbors and how many competitors for your job came from outside the USA?

Get your loyalties straight.

Connie, that is a very sad story. Too bad you didn't tell more of them. How about a story of the many U.S. citizens and LEGAL U.S. Immigrants who would like to work at some of the jobs that are dominated by ILLEGALS? You failed to tell their stories!!! Stories of meat packing plants, construction and other well paying jobs that have lowered their salaries, and payrole liabilities, to hire predominately ILLEGALS so they can have a higher profit margin. Oh, remember to mention that the Unions are in on it too, as they get the dues from the ILLEGALS who get the jobs. You are really a piece of work!
The liberal bend on your article is enough to sour my stomach. "It's for the children" is a cry that you libs have been using for far too long!! How about: "It's for the Americans and those legally authorized to be in this country."
I am also sick and tired of the media picking and choosing when to use Biblical quotes, as if they really believed what they are writing. When did you defend the Christian founders message about thier faith in God and Jesus Christ? When have you defended Christ at all??????? How about abortion or homosexuality - where is your outrage on that? I know, you will say that the Scriptures can be interpreted in many ways. Yes, they can if you want to bend them to you leftist idiology! The use of God's word to justify your article in an afront to me and to all true Bible believing people. I suggest you and your associates STOP the mis-use of God's word and concentrate on the words of Marx, which is your true god.
Oh, one more thing. I suggest that you pick up one of the "many" Bibles in your home and start reading it!!! After you read it, start doing what it says!!! DO not interpret it via the liberal filter YOU ALWAYS USE, but through God's Spirit when you ask Him to guide you in its understanding. It is a book to be taken literally and followed faithfully.
I have seen more sarrow in the immigrant community than you will ever see from your perch on-high. I know what they go through to get here; the dangers, the exploitation at the hands of their own countrymen. I have seen the dead in the desert who only wanted a better life. But, my dear Connie, it is people like you who encourage these innocent people to take that chance and risk life and limb because you promise you will do something for them once they are here. The dead, abused and scarred only have you and those like you to blame for their missery and pain. Stop this craziness and support the RULE OF LAW of our country. It is the law, not some whimsical idea or notion, but the LAW that they violate and you ignore. The U.S. and other legitamate countries have the right and neccessity to control their borders to allow only those who will benefit their country to LEGALLY immigrate. This is not a new concept that was just made up last year; it is the way of EVERY nation on this planet and has been for centuries.
STOP ENCOURAGING ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION AND THE SAD STORIES WILL END IN OUR TIME!!! Support the legal and legitimate immigration processes as administered by our immigration laws and policies of your nation and the crimes against the innocent will stop; after all, this is what you were writing about isn't it?

There's a philosophical vehemence about this exploit that's pious in its intensity, because let's be clear, this is all about allowing Mexican illegal alien the rights to squat in exchange for professed future votes vowed by mountebank Hispanic politicians and racist leaders such as Clarissa Martinez.
They've accused dissenting Americans of being divisive, incendiary and racially discriminatory.
Yes, sometimes the truth can divisive, incendiary and racially discriminatory if it's been used against Americans for long enough, and has become appropriately taboo as it clearly has in this country.
Because according to these sycophants, it doesn't even matter that our decisions are just.
What matters is that it's legal.
Well, when laws are against those predisposed to lawlessness, then there's something seriously wrong with the laws. Because when the truth has no defense, there is actually, no defense. And when the law has no anchor, it will drift wherever the winds of political expedience blows, and this time it blew straight across our National Parks filled with 300 + millions tons of trash and human waste into a activist courts where justice will now have to fight for its life – starving of the oxygen of truth that gives it life.
These are desperate racist tactics, from desperate racist people who have tied themselves up in such knots of relativist guilt; they're incapable of acknowledging the truth, let alone dealing with it. These make-believe Americans are prepared to chop off their own hands to avoid being seen scratching their ass in public. What makes it worse is they are clinging to something that doesn't even exist.
The illegal alien invasion bubble burst long before thousands of American citizens were killed by hordes of Valedictorians. It was even before then that the Americans and everybody else in the U.S. came face-to-face with illegal alien swarms repackaged as immigration, and work we wouldn't do, what it really is, and what it really means. On the surface, it evoked a kind of polychromatic society of mutually enriching cultural perspectives saturated with Mexican Restaurants, and that being bilingual only means that you can speak Spanish and English.
And what could be better than that? But that's not what it was at all, and that was never the intention. They have been honest from the start about what it really is; Mexican colonization of the Southwest U.S. But people are beginning to realize now that Reconquista is in fact what we're getting, and it's all we're getting times tens of millions, and not the broken odometer of 12 million. How could this have happened? But we all know how it happened. The whole world knows how it happened. And if it hadn't happened, the killings of Americans by illegal aliens wouldn't be taking place, because Mexico wouldn't be the problem it is today, and perhaps many of our once beautiful states would still be favorite destinations, and not the kind of places where American citizens are killed by drunk drivers, murdered, and easy pickings for illegal aliens who can (and do) escape back into Mexico only to return later reincarnated with new identification.
The minority liberal presiding class encouraged by the invader nation has shown that it is prepared to stoop to anything, even as far as undermining the very foundation of Western civilization: freedom of speech.
To prop up a rotten ideology that's not only dead but whose corpse is now beginning to smell, and you know that smell – its that pungent mix of deception and cowardice that we've all become disappointingly familiar with.
Certainly we know it well. We've had more than our share of it through the years. This rancid putrefaction never seems to dissipate. The stink has lingered and transformed into yet another shameful push at amnesty this year.
The state of Arizona was refused the right to protect it's citizens because our government allowed itself to be intimidated and threatened by millions of La Raza loudmouths who took it upon themselves to feign racism to temporarily suppress laws in a country of laws, and were allowed to get away with it for now because otherwise they would be offended. Why the hell should we concern ourselves with what Mexico and illegal aliens think? They should be offended.
Nobody gives a damn how offended the rest of us are at having our culture overrun by an aggressive undocumented totalitarianism and being told we are racist if we stand against it. And that's why this assessment is not just about rewarding people who believe citizenship is earned by jumping a fence, or Arizona. The score will affect all of us. Liberal Americans have a reputation for listening to hate-groups such as La Raza, tolerance and open-mindedness – the very qualities of stupidity that got us into this mess in the first place.
So we're a bit further down the road of multi-cultural declination, but it's a road we're all traveling in the West. And if we stay on it, we'll all arrive at the same cataclysmic intersection in Mexican sanctioned Third-World courts with illegal aliens claiming rights to steal from us. It's only a matter of time.
Fear of free speech is the symptom of a profoundly neurotic and dishonest society, which is what we've got on our hands now. All over the Western world is the same apologetic division. We have government and police forces that recoil before Mexico, La Raza, and millions of invaders, while chipping away our civil liberties while the racist herself, Cecilia Munoz of La Raza serves as Director of Intergovernmental Affairs at the White House to the Executive Office of President Obama. Another anchor baby America hater with loyalty to Mexico first.
We have a so-called media that cannot even use the word La Raza in connection with invasion, when the two couldn't be more intimately connected if they were Siamese twins – yet they're quite happy to label The Tea Party as the extreme right, in the kind of casual slander that passes for journalism these days, especially at the inadequate alphabet channels, Spanish language rags filled with subversion, and the immoral androgynous compassioned visionaries at Yahoo who've been too politically correct to acknowledge that an invasion is even taking place.
Anyone who isn't livid and mortified that an invasion is taking place doesn't deserve to live in a free society. The multitudes of racists with Hispanic surnames assembling against Americans has already left as a dark stain on our associations equal to what McCarthyism has left in our history, and its going to get worse. Those who stand against the invasion tsunami are heroes, not criminals. And it's time the rest of us stood up and said so loud and clear. Because, there's too much at stake to be politically correct any more. And there's too much at stake to worry about offending Mexico and La Raza any more.
This arrogant Mexican meddling and colonization will be stopped. Our birthright is being deliberately sold from under us by people who don't have the right of ownership. And we are now on the verge of bequeathing our children and grandchildren the kind of society that we wouldn't want to be born into.
It doesn't get any more immoral or cowardly than that. It's akin to saying a drunk is always honest. It's not really honesty at all; it's the blurry psychobabble you get when they've had too much alcohol to drink. Even drunks suffer from what I refer to as undocumented justice. It's not really justice at all – it's the level of impartiality you get when you've overdosed on cultural relativism and your spine has completely disappeared.
Shame on the President and Justice Department. Shame on the Mexican president and government. Shame on NCLR, LULAC, and the racist Hispanic/Latino agenda. Shame on illegal aliens and anchor babies who have the temerity to consider Americans their enemy. Shame on the fourth estate for not raising a hurricane-force protest against this outrageous attack on our basic freedom, and shame upon shame on the crooked Clinton judges in the United States. Shame on us for allowing millions upon millions of arrogant sycophants to come here illegally, give us the finger for dissenting, demand we award them citizenship, educate them and pay for their America-hate Chicano textbooks, pay to incarcerate them, use our emergency hospital system as their cold and sniffle clinics, protest in our streets on the day our country celebrates law, the outright abuse and fraud of our 14th Amendment, the constant irritating impetus for amnesty for the last 10 years (do you not understand no?), the insurmountable costs of property damage, ID theft, Social Security fraud and ID theft, drunk driving deaths, murders and sexual assaults of innocent taxpayers, promoting Spanish as an equal language to English, day laborers everywhere, and the constant mistruth that the fraud deed of ownership from Spain meant that Mexicans occupied the American Southwest, and that Mexicans are indigenous Native Americans.
And shame on you Connie Schultz...

Believe me; all of these so-called children are engrossed in the memory of the country of their birth. Perhaps, you've never heard it, but I would consider you a liar if you admitted so. It's called Reconquista, America stole the land, and this is Aztlan. This pales to your line: “Instead, their futures were gutted, and for one reason.” Let me assist you. The myth of Aztlan can best be explained by California's School District's Chicano Studies textbook, "The Mexican American Heritage." On page 84 there is a redrawn map of Mexico and the United States, showing Mexico with a full two-thirds additional territory, all of it taken back from the United States. On page 107, it says "Latinos are now realizing that the power to control Aztlan may once again be in their hands."
Shown are the "repatriated" eight or nine states including Colorado, California, Arizona, Texas, Utah, New Mexico, Oregon and parts of Washington. The Aztlan myth is further amplified at MEChA club meetings held at Santa Barbara Public Schools, and around the country at College campuses. The books are paid for by American tax payers, cites no references or footnotes, leaving school children totally dependent on their teacher to separate fact from opinion and political propaganda. The book teaches separatism, victimization, nationalism, completely lacks patriotism towards the United States, and promotes an open border policy.
How about the Reconquista School La Academia Semillas del Pubelo in LA whose principal teaches ethnic separatism along with Aztec math? The National Council of La Raza was a co-sponsor of that school with extremist activists from MECHA.
How about Aztlan Academy in Tucson, Arizona? According to The La Raza, the school's success rests on Aztlan's ability to integrate a meaningful Chicano Studies program into their lives, language, and academics.
What about Mexicayotl Academy in Nogales, Arizona? Who needs the three R's? At Mexicayotl, it's all about the three M's: me, me, me! The school's program is "structured and developed around the concepts of identity, culture, and language."
Or the Dolores Huerta Preparatory High School in Pueblo, Colorado. It's named after the far-Left Latina labor union activist who recently railed that "Republicans hate Latinos," praised illegal alien protesters, and bleated "We didn't cross the borders, the borders crossed us" in a hate-filled tirade before illegal alien students in Arizona.
Academia Cesar Chavez Charter School in St. Paul, Minn. Board member Louis Mendoza, an activist Chicano Studies professor, pushed the school to lobby for the federal DREAM Act (providing in-state tuition discounts to illegal alien students not available to Americans). The school's website features one one flag on its front page:
The Mexican flag…

And lastly,
Some Dreams Are Shattered
Well, it looks like the illegitimate may want to adopt another anti-American diversion. Everyone knows of the La Raza call centers spread across the country. We have no compunction for ungrateful ill-advised college students who want to take seats from American college students, and potential undesirable military recruits who came to this country illegally as young children and feign to know no other home.
For a demographic that knows no other home, the loyalty, allegiance, and holding all things Mexico dear says otherwise. Three children were playing in the parking lot of the Chastain Apartments in Sandy Springs (Fulton County) one early evening when a red car with a wobbly wheel drove through.
Jordin Paulder, a 9-year-old boy with chubby cheeks, called out to the car's passengers to tell them of the bad wheel. Jordin didn't mean to insult anybody; he just thought they should know, witnesses told police. But the car stopped. A man got out and slammed an axe into Jordin's face. Twice. Emergency workers were afraid to remove the axe during the helicopter flight to Children's Healthcare of Atlanta at Scottish Rite Hospital, where Jordin died.
When the police approached the crime scene, Cabrera Borjas fled to a nearby apartment complex. After he broke an officer's arm by throwing a tire iron and made threats with an iron pipe, the officer shot and killed him. Since the reproached killer is dead, there will be no trial to remind the public that illegal immigration is not a victimless crime.
Nowhere can I find this asterisk: But only if they were born in America.
However, the killer's family already has a lawyer making “police brutality” and “wrongful death” noises, so the ugliness may in fact continue. Undoubtedly, I'd just as soon have you bleeding hearts liberals with your violin accompaniment pap focus instead on the tens of millions of illegal immigrants like Borjas, or those like the one who shot four promising college kids execution style in Newark, killing three of them after sexually molesting two of them.
It wouldn't have mattered if they had deported Jose Carranza even before his girlfriend accused him of raping her 5-year-old daughter. Or Ruben Hernandez-Juarez, an illegal alien charged with sexually molesting a 6-year-old boy in Martin County, Fla.
I keep telling myself as I attempt to justify the fact that their parents are not American citizens.
Alejandro Bautista, an illegal alien in Cook County, Ill., who was convicted for sexually molesting two teenaged boys. An entirely different Alejandro; Alejandro Xuya-Sian, an illegal alien who hit a pedestrian with his car in New York and dragged him for nearly a mile before dislodging the victim from his car, throwing him aside and driving off again. The more disturbing aspect of this event to you liberals is that Xuya-Sian was not wearing his seat belt at the time.
What about the gutted future of illegal alien Alberto Barajas-Enriquez, who is charged with beating his Michigan neighbor to death with a golf club because the neighbor complained about the constant barking of Enriquez's dog. Asked by police how many times he struck his victim with the golf club. Lucio Sanchez-Martinez, an illegal alien in Ohio charged with sexually molesting a sleeping 8-year-old girl.
I have limited my enumeration of illegal aliens to those who were charged or convicted of heinous crimes. My actual list would take another seven years to narrate all crimes against American citizens.
Somehow, I don't think the meaning of Christmas applies here…

Wow Connie. You sure know how to bring them out of the woodwork. This is a complex issue. The example that you site is very sad and tragic, but I am reminded of the old legal axiom, hard cases make bad law. The issue is what is a fair thing to do that is consistent with our national values, human values, and our national interest. I am fairly certain that you would not be in favor of dropping the idea of dropping the border and inviting any who wish to come here to become citizens. I find my left leaning self very conflicted on the issue of the dream act. For the individuals affected, it is the right thing to do. The problem comes when one examines the incentive structure that it would inevitably create. This is an issue that is too vital to ignore. Thank you for helping to keep it in public discourse.
Mark
RE comment #2:
Tex, since you believe that the bible is to be taken literally, do you believe that slavery is OK, adulterers should be stoned, etc? Do you believe that we should get out of Afghanistan and Iraq so that we can stop violating that "Thou shalt not kill" part? Just curious.
RE Comment #5:
As I mentioned above, hard cases make bad law. How does the violent crime rate of illegals compare to that of citizens of similar socio-economic levels? Lower is the answer. I note that all of you examples are male. Perhaps we should pass the dream act for female kids and see what we can do to filter out the bad males for a later version. No, I didn't really think that would make you happy, but it was worth a try.

Hey Mark, it is you that are "them."

No, turning a blind eye to lawlessness does. Do you not get it? Our laws mean nothing to them.
I never believe anything that comes from Mexico, its people, and its poltroons who illegally come to this country in a daily deluge. Eventually, generations more masses of illegitimate squatters are deposited and continue the hatred, racism, fraud, and declination that the world's picture-perfect kleptocracy instills. Is 40 million enough?

We cannot continue to be the de facto welfare state of Mexico despite the fact that whales are your friends.

Your response is more inclined to synchronized swimming. You sound terrified, but you're the hip progressive liberal. My seminal vesicles have even joined in the laughter. I surmise your androphobia should keep you in the running for the Society of Professional Scaredy-cats Award.

Speaking of coming out of the woodwork, in your case, 48, XXYY syndrome is caused by the presence of an extra X chromosome and an extra Y chromosome in your alleged male cells. Extra genetic material from the X chromosome has interfered with your manly development, preventing the testes (miniature) from functioning normally and has concurrently reduced testosterone levels, but then again this direction applies to adolescent and adult males. Extra copies of genes from the pseudo autosomal region of the extra X and Y chromosome contribute to the signs and symptoms of 48, XXYY syndrome; however, the specific genes in your situation have not been identified, nor at this juncture, has your genitals…

Not terrified. Engaged with the challenge of sorting between conflicting ideas. The sort of thing that public discourse is useful for, provided one is interesting in actually engaging in such exchange. I know that if I were a Mexican citizen, I would likely try to come here for the same reason that my ancestors did; for a chance a a better life in a culture where hard work can take you places. I do not blame them for trying. I especially feel compassion for those who were brought here as small children. What must it be like to have lived for almost your entire life in this culture and yet not be able to fully belong? I balance this with the clear realization that unlimited acceptance of illegal immigration is also not acceptable or desirable. The solutions we craft to this issue will inevitably risk creating new incentives to illegal immigration, thus the need for a lot of public discourse along the way.
As I said, Connie, you sure know how to bring them out of the woodwork. Poor fretsward appears to be too tied up in a complex internal world, which now, oddly, seems to include my genitalia, to truly engage in an intelligent discussion of a complex issue. Don't let him/her discourage you. These issues will require a great deal of careful discussion and thoughtful balancing of the conflict between compassion and national interests. There are many others, on all sides of the issue, who are up to the challenge.

Is that not like deciding how to extinguish the fire after the house has already burned to the ground?
You have bought into the misdirection; what is now the American Southwest was declared by the Mexican Empire its province in 1821 when the Spanish Empire collapsed, but so did several Latin American countries from Guatemala, El Salvador, Honduras, and Nicaragua to Costa Rica. It was one of those absurd grandiose claims that the Spaniards and Mexicans were notorious for.
The Mexican Empire collapsed as well some three years later, and Mexican Republic claimed most of these territories as theirs for about 24 years. The historic truth is that these territories were "theirs" for short time and on the paper only. The legal basis for their claim was about as flimsy as their claim that they inherited Spanish succession that included all the territories of former Spanish Empire, a claim that Spain rejected flatly. It's worth noting that Spain got its rights to North America from Pope Alexander VI (1494) who had about as much rights to it as he had to the Moon.
In particular, in 1824 - 1848 there was only one Spanish settlement in California, and out of about 200,000 people that lived there, some 400 were Spanish speakers, and only about 100 of them called themselves Mexicans.
Your compassion for those who were brought here by illegal alien parents are now calling themselves the Mexica Movement. Their official platfrom says: “We totally reject all illegal European Colonial Squatter Occupation Borders on our continent. We also reject Colonialism's right to keep stealing the wealth of our lands. And we reject their artificial divisions of our people!” This is a group that thinks America is their property, and anyone who doesn't fit their description should leave the country.
Former Housing and Urban Development Secretary, Henry Cisneros - (a Bill Clinton appointee) - said before a Hispanic audience: "As goes the Latino population will go the state of California, and as goes the state of California will go the United States of America. My friends, the stakes are big. This is a fight worth making."
The former president of Mexico, Ernesto Zedillo, went before a group of illegals in Chicago and said, "I have proudly affirmed that the Mexican nation extends beyond the territory enclosed by its borders, and that Mexican migrants are a very important part of it."
*"Go back to Boston! Go back to Plymouth Rock, Pilgrims! Get out! We are the future. You are old and tired. Go on. We have beaten you. Leave like beaten rats. You old white people. It is your duty to die. Through love of having children, we are going to take over." -- Augustin Cebada, Brown Berets.
*"They're afraid we're going to take over the governmental institutions and other institutions. They're right. We will take them over. We are here to stay." -- Richard Alatorre, Los Angeles City Councilman.
*"We have an aging white America. They are not making babies. They are dying. The explosion is in our population. I love it. They are shitting in their pants with fear. I love it!" -- Professor Jose Angel Gutierrez, University of Texas.
*"Remember 187--proposition to deny taxpayer funds for services to non-citizens--was the last gasp of white America in California." -- Art Torres, Chairman of the California Democratic Party.
*"We are politicizing every single one of these new citizens that are becoming citizens of this country. I gotta tell you that a lot of people are saying, 'I'm going to go out there and vote because I want to pay them back.'" -- Gloria Molina, Los Angeles County Supervisor.
*"California is going to be a Hispanic state. Anyone who doesn't like it should leave." -- Mario Obledo, California Coalition of Hispanic Organizations and California State Secretary of Health, Education and Welfare under Governor Jerry Brown, also awarded the Presidential Medal of Freedom by President Bill Clinton.
*"We are practicing 'La Reconquista' in California." -- Jose Pescador Osuna, Mexican Consul General .
"We need to avoid a white backlash by using codes understood by Latinos." -- Professor Fernando Guerra, Loyola Marymount University.
*"The American Southwest seems to be slowly returning to the jurisdiction of Mexico without firing a single shot." -- Excelsior, the national newspaper of Mexico.
Liberals like you will never get it. They do not want to be Americans. To them, this is stolen land. This is not a complex issue. It is an invasion. There is no discussion needed. Just enforce the laws of this country…

It is, of course, stolen land. Pretty much all of the western hemisphere is stolen land, if one looks at it from the perspective of the native population "displaced" in the process of European colonization. Such is the nature of history. (See any discussion in the last 2,000 years of who owns Palestine / Israel.)
I agree with you that there are those who hold extremist views on Mexican land claims. I strongly disagree with those extremist views. But you should be aware of your own rather large blinders. Your comments suggest that, in your opinion, all of this "they" have a uniform agenda and that some extremists who happen to be the most fun to quote are somehow empowered to speak for this "they". And that we should, perhaps, base public policy on the assumption that these opinions are universally held by "they". I think that this is about like suggesting that the "Rev." All Sharpton speaks for all black Americans. While the media find that he is always good for a splashy, obnoxious quote, to suggest that he speaks for all, or even most, black Americans would be at least silly, if not racist.
Do we need immigration? Yes! See any discussion of how many workers will be paying into the social security system for every worker that is receiving benefits in about 20 years. American citizens in general are simply not having enough children to supply the workforce of the future. The question to be determined is the process of this necessary immigration.
The Hispanic immigrants are not the first immigrants who were feared to be not slipping into the melting pot as quickly as they should. The Italians, Irish, Jews, Poles, and Germans were all seen as refusing to learn english, keeping to themselves rather then becoming Americans etc. An example of this fear can be found in the Pledge of Allegiance. The poetry of the original pledge was changed in 1923 and 1924, so that the phrase "...my flag..." became "...the flag of the United States of America..." in order to prevent those suspect immigrants from secretly pledging in their minds to the flag of their country of origin.
"Liberals like you will never get it." If you mean by that that I dislike rigid simplistic solutions to complex and dynamic problems, I would tend to agree with you.

Just mention the scourge of illegal immigration and one is designated the mahatma and dithyrambic right-winger that sentinels of racial human shields ardently detest. That you propose Mexicans are the native populations and previous owners of this land is caustic. No, such is the nature of those allergic to laws. I'd refer to Black Genesis: The Prehistoric Origins of Ancient Egypt. It presents proof that an advanced black African civilization inhabited the Sahara long before Pharaonic Egypt, and reveals black Africa to be at the genesis of ancient civilization and the human story. These “Star People” were the true founders of ancient Egypt, and were the harbingers of other civilizations. History in this case is not revisionist, addresses the history of world civilization, placing black Africa back in its rightful place at the center of mankind's origins. The discovery of the Olmec (what is now Mexico) who were descendants of the Yi, who were descendants of the Star People, makes the displaced claim diminutive. The African presence in Mexico is not so much denied as it is obscured. Most Mexicans and Mexican Americans have historically been unaware of - that they, like other Latinos, have not only Spanish blood, but African blood as well. I wouldn't refer to it as my rather large blinders, as opposed to my skin in the game.
I am Niitsítapi. My Confederacy consists of Aapatohsipikani, Aamsskaapipikani, and Kainai. We are Siksikawa. My tribe held most of the territory from the North Saskatchewan River, Canada, to the southern headstreams of the Missouri in Montana, and to the base of the Rocky Mountains. Perhaps, I can make a claim. My comment suggests that “they” do in fact have a uniform agenda. I surmise your blinders are closed to the massive demonstrations with millions of people waving Mexican flags, burning US flags, bleating that they didn't cross the border – the border crossed them, or this is our land, or any of the repudiated claims of this is stolen land. It only happens in approximately 70 cities across the US every May 5th (the day our country celebrates law). And no, the analogy that the suggestion is to Al Sharpton speaking for blacks is weak. He also speaks for illegal aliens against Americans (especially whites) in smash and grab festivals nationwide. And you have the temerity to say we need immigration?
How many workers will pay into the Social Security System? Americans are not having enough children to supply the workforce? Hispanic immigrants? Pardon me, but your La Raza membership card just fell out of your pocket. You may want to pick it up. You are nothing but a racist anchor baby. You have to constantly promote the wholesale theft of American sovereignty. Why? Because they are your people. For us everything, for them nothing. Right? Then you have the gall to equate illegal aliens with immigrants of the past who were screened at Ellis Island, and actually wanted to become part of America? People illegally entering our country have no right to demand anything, or suggest how we should conduct our business. They most certainly have the right to petition the government of Mexico for change. If illegal aliens wish (wink) to be Americans, there is a way to do so. It starts in Mexico.
Over 600,000 men and women gave their lives for the birth and defense of the United States of America. From coast-to-coast and border-to-border the overwhelming majority of our population loves this country, its Constitution, its freedoms, and its beautiful flag. There are, however, tens of millions of illegal aliens and their brethren here in the US who have no love or regard for America. Only for Mexico and the Mexican people. They hate the US government, the country, and the American people. These people have invaded our country. It's not enough that the US allowed industry to codify you and build in Mexico if you want to make the excuse for workers. We have to deal with a non-stop population that's larger than 3 times the population of Tallahassee, FL coming across the border every 3 months. These needed people as you infer, have discarded over 300 million + tons of trash and human waste in our national border parks on their way in; people who demand I speak their language; people who are stealing American IDs and Social Security numbers; people who are bankrupting state budgets and taxpayers; people who cost the American taxpayers over $140 billion dollars per year; people who are turning entire cities and neighborhoods into Tijuana's, where half the store signs advertise llanteras usadas; people who are killing American citizens at the rate of 39 per day through murder, drunk driving, etc.; people who expect and demand their kids to be taught in Spanish, and don't care what we Americans think; people who drive without licenses, or insurance, or set enough aside to cover their liabilities; people who use our expensive hospital system and emergency rooms as their cold and sniffle clinics. Why is it dangerous that we can't discuss these things frankly in the open, without crippling euphemisms that disguise what this is really about? Why is the Hispanic/Latino agenda being constantly being forced to the menu and down our throats? It's because the most despicable, worthless, obnoxious, immoral, indignant, corrupt, greedy, reckless, parasitic, and underlying ideologically maligned country and its people insist we do so for their benefit alone. You say simplistic solutions to complex and dynamic problems La Raza? No, just enforce the laws of this country will do. I surmise the racist Mexican classical mythology masquerading as trustworthy is the gift that doesn't fall far from the tree...

Where did you read that I propose that Mexicans are the native populations and the previous owners of this land? I suspect that if you asked the decedents of the Aztecs, you might find that some of them would argue that Mexico is "stolen land". Any claim based on ancestral ownership that Mexican native populations could rationally attempt to make would be to Mexico, not Colorado. No, as I said, such is the nature of history. I don't find that such historic claims are terribly useful in setting the current course.
I find myself wondering if you know anybody of Hispanic ancestry. I know many and find that very few have the slightest interest in this becoming part of Mexico. I think that the reference to Al Sharpton is quite apt. Assuming that the "rev." All speaks for black America would leave you with a very distorted view of the nature and range of beliefs and opinions held be blacks in America. Similarly, assuming that a few attention seeking advocates of a super Mexico speak for all Hispanic immigrants is quite simplistic. The comparison to the views that many Americans held about previous populations of immigrants is again, very apt and useful to understand the nature of assimilation. I do not contend that illegals immigrants are somehow entitled to the same welcome that immigrants of Ellis Island were, only that the previous experience is very useful in predicting the rate of assimilation of those who end up staying. The right to stay and the nature of assimilation are different issues. It clearly does go, however, to your "invading army" of "them" views. I find myself wondering why you need to work so hard to demonize (Invading army, they all want to claim the western US for Mexico, anecdotal crime stories, etc.) this group of people. I suspect that if you were forced to acknowledge their humanity, you might risk having to find a more nuanced approach to dealing with a complex problem.
Demographically, our population is aging. If you don't have enough workers entering the system to support the old folks, you are looking at an economic tailspin. Our birthrate is not sufficient to maintain the population, especially the working portion of the population. The same problem exists all over Europe. Immigration and assimilation is key to the stability of the future, unless you can provide sufficient incentives for citizens to push up the birth rate internally. (Big tax deductions for extra kids, paid year of maternal and paternal leave for birth or adoption of kids, etc. All worthy ideas, but somehow I doubt that the money to pay for them is going to appear anytime soon.)
The issue, of course, is, as I said before, the nature of this immigration. I do believe that we need immigration control, that we should not simply open our borders. The complicated bit comes from the "just enforce the laws of this country" part. There is a trade off between draconian enforcement and not changing the nature of who we are as a moral people. That is the area of the issue that I am most interested in.

Never argue with an idiot -- first they drag you down to their level, then they beat you with experience.

Now you are showing your prowess as the dodge ball champions you open borders racists are known to be. Let's regress to semantics shall we? I surmise if you queried the descendants of the Olmec in Guerrero or Oaxaca you would ascertain more than you'd want to admit based merely on your allusion to a mythical people. I find myself wondering if you know anyone not of Hispanic ancestry. You may in fact, know many, but let the US and Mexico make the finals in soccer and see which side of the stadium you'll hold allegiance to. I'm certain you recall in 1998, the US and Mexican soccer teams met at the Los Angeles Coliseum. The crowd was overpoweringly pro-Mexican even though most lived in this country, and are the people you say we need. They booed during the National Anthem and US flags were held upside down. As the match progressed, supporters of the US team were insulted, pelted with projectiles, punched and spat upon. Beer and trash were thrown at the US players before and after the match. The coach of the US team, Steve Sampson said it was the most excruciating racial experience he's ever had in this profession. You make concerned noises about the illegal alien, which threatens to become memorable now in a very debauched approach. But mostly it appears that you exercise and talk to those of Hispanic ancestry about the warning signs any of you forgot to heed. Your banal musings will never extend to people like Hermila Garcia. For just 2 months as the Police Chief of Meoqui, she was one of a trifling number of women who have shown more gallantry - than the multitudes of pathetic Mexican men who'd rather run and enter the US illegally, consider Americans the enemy, and demand that those same Americans provide a means for them to take care of their families. Her resolve was to promote order. She was killed as she drove to work. I have tremendous admiration for people like her. She was not a parasite who wanted to go to the US to partake in the feeding frenzy and Reconquista. It was a suicide mission. Why can't people like Hermila get support from Hispanics as does the illegal alien invader? Garcia was one of a growing number of women who decided to take leadership roles in towns where Mexican men are petrified to help the women. They then end up here after sneaking in during the middle of the night, then when the morning ascends, arrogantly beat their chests, and raise the Mexican flag while standing on American soil. Dreamers, I surmise. America's view of immigrants has not changed. For you to refer to illegal aliens as immigrants is unacceptable. They do not have a right to stay here, yet alone be here. From where I reside, it is raining Mexicans. How many is enough? Do you consider numbers upwards of 40 million illegal aliens normal? Humanity, you infer? You are quite a mawkish bigot. There is nothing complex here. There is entirely too much humanity flowing into this country from Mexico. The nuanced approach is deportation. Illegal immigrants pay no taxes, but still receive medical treatment and their kids are able to get education. The school lunch programs for illegal alien children have supplanted music programs to American kids. They take jobs that people who are here legally could have. A recent study showed that competition with illegal aliens accounts for a significant share of the decline in teen employment. The Decline in Summer Youth Employment: New Study Examines Immigration's Impact on US-born Teens, 2010. There are estimated to be at 30 to 40 million + illegal aliens in the country. In 1970 there were eight-hundred thousand illegal aliens. Thirty years later, this number had grown an overwhelming amount to about 32 million. The problems directly connected to this illegal alien tsunami are costing more and more each year because all of them now think they have a right to stay. The presence of 10s of millions of them costs billions of dollars that substantially affects the economy. Every year nearly 4 million or more illegal aliens enter, and since most years there are more of them entering than from the year before, the problems presented are only getting worse. If the problem could be gone by simply granting amnesty to all the illegal aliens it would have been done. The Tucson sector Border Patrol union local 2544 on the number of illegal aliens in our nation: "There are currently 30 to 45 million illegal aliens in this country, but the real numbers could be much higher and the numbers increase every day because our borders are not allowed to be secured (no matter what the politicians tell you - don't believe them for a second). Our estimates are that 20,000 or more additional illegal aliens slip through and are added to the United States population each day. Arizona Senator John McCain reported – almost four million illegals cross the borders with Arizona per year. Estimate the gross number of illegals entering the US, as well as the number of those that evade apprehension by the Border Patrol. A "get away" ratio is applied to the numbers of illegals entering, resulting in a gross estimate of illegals entering and evading apprehension. It's all bullshit and race politics. The number of people entering is colossal, but by ordering Border Patrol agents to sit on predetermined sites all day and all night, there is visible presence, but arrests go down. Of course, the flood tides of illegal aliens flank those positions right and left and with no one guarding the rear, the invasion is hardly slowed. I remember hearing of real immigrants that came through Ellis Island. They wanted to learn English and become Americans. The millions of illegal aliens come here with demands and an agenda. They demand to be taught in their own language, special privileges, and demand ethnic studies that glorify their culture. All the recent scams regarding illegal aliens, the DREAM ACT, a pathway to unearned citizenship, allusions to one amnesty after another and conference calls out of the White House with Cecilia Munoz to the racist Hispanic open borders organizations; all of it, was designed to turn out the mythical illegitimate Hispanic vote. It certainly wasn't a force to allow the passage of the DREAM or push any other amnesty through. It was, after all, racial politics and pandering to a demographic with a narrow self-interest. Here we go again with the justifying the presence of illegal aliens. First of all what do you mean by “our?” Back up La Raza and say that it's difficult to know accurately what's producing the change in birth rates at any given point and time. If you look at historically over a long time period, birth rates tend to dip up or dip down. It's foolish to suggest Americans are getting older. Americans have always gotten older. With that said, there are a lot of reasons to guess what could be contributing factors. Many of us who are reasonable and pay our way knows that children are expensive to raise. They also require care and you'll have at least one of the parents out of the labor market for a period of time taking care of the child. In periods of economic unpredictability, having two breadwinners in the employment market can be the difference between sinking or swimming. This is one of the reasons that people choose to delay a birth versus people who fraud the system, and of course, con birthright citizenship. The numbers of US births in 2007 at just over 4.3 million was a record (larger than the baby boom in the 50s and 60s). The new reports are counts of births from states. It estimates there were 4,136,000 births in 2009, down from a 4,247,000 in 2008 and more than 4.3 million in 2007. They are criminals and are breaking the law. That is all we should be concerned about. What if one day America decided to end our legal system and no longer prosecute criminals and free all those who are currently incarcerated? What if we decided it would help our economy if we allowed criminals to work instead of being locked up where they belong? I think in order to keep our laws intact they need to apply to everyone and no group of people should be allowed to break them no matter what the justification for doing so may be. That is the only way we can maintain law and order and keep society free and safe. If we chose to make an exception for certain people then we should be required to make exceptions for everyone regardless of what they have done. Dr. ML King Jr identified what had kept the south economically, socially and educationally behind the north: cheap labor. The evidence is overwhelming that with its present population, the US is already vastly overpopulated in terms of the long range carrying capacity of its resources and environment. Yet we continue to grow rapidly, by 20 to 30 million each decade without illegal aliens. Currently, there are nearly 30 million Americans out of work and you pretend to speak of working population. Whose working population is the question? Contrary to our own national interest, we now permit millions of actual immigrants to settle here each year. If our fertility (without illegal aliens) remains at its present rate of 2.0 (average of two children per woman) and if legal immigration at the present level continues, we will grow to nearly 500 million before the end of the next century, almost twice our present size. A US population of 800 million may seem incredible, but the annual average growth rate that produces it runs at only 1.3 percent per year. This is the same as the average annual growth rate that has prevailed in the United States over the last half-century, and not too much above the one percent average growth rate of the last decade. And even worse scenarios are possible. But what if American women had an extra child from now on (that is, three births as advocated by some) and what if legal immigration doubled to four million? What would that mean demographically? By 2050, the US population would surpass 677 million; by 2075 it would have reached one billion and still be growing rapidly. We need to reduce legal immigration from the present level to a maximum of 100,000 a year, which would include all relatives, refugees, asylums, and skilled workers. We need to halt illegal immigration period. Over 4 million illegal aliens sneak in each year, joining the estimated 30 to 40 million here against the law. Those numbers must be reduced to zero. The first would be the easiest to achieve. It would only require Federal legislation. The second and third goals would be not be difficult, but, given the political will, it can be achieved. We must stop rewarding illegal aliens with jobs and benefits and start penalizing them severely for breaking U.S. laws. Illegal aliens who have been deported once should forfeit forever their right to seek legal entry. If they return here, they should be penalized by a mandatory prison term, and a fine or confiscation of property. Business owners depend on illegal aliens, but the only thing illegal aliens are contributing to is the collapse of our economy and lining the pockets of the unscrupulous. Without illegal aliens, the price of agricultural products and other goods and services will not soar. The definitive study on this subject is the University of Iowa's "How Much Is That Tomato?" The study concludes that 'since labor is such a small component of the end-price of agricultural products (which includes price to the growers, transportation costs, processing /storage costs, grocers' profit, etc.), using minimum wage workers instead of illegal aliens would increase prices of agricultural products by approximately 1 percent in the summer and 2 percent in the winter; hardly the making of $10 heads of lettuce, $25 hamburgers, $1,000 per night Days Inn hotel rooms like the pro-illegal alien lobby claims. Consumers are not benefiting from lower labor costs. Again, it's CEOs and business owners who benefit from taxpayer subsidies for their illegal alien workers. The Big Three automakers say they moved so many jobs to Mexico because their labor costs are 80 percent less than in America. Have you noticed the price of new cars spiraling downward under NAFTA? So, before you attempt to promote the prevalent pack of lies perpetuated by your lobby, which makes billions off this government-sanctioned criminal activity, ask yourself who's saying this garbage and look at what they have to gain. American citizens against out-of-control illegal Immigration are making nothing and have nothing personal to gain from their efforts to fight this corruption. America has been the icon of liberty and freedom since the first true immigrants landed on her eastern shores. It has worked hard to become the great nation that it is today, but simply because America was initially founded by immigrants does not justify two hundred years later, illegal aliens from Mexico and neighboring countries can stride in without permission. Illegal aliens in the US have reached unimaginable numbers and are increasing every day; they have taken American jobs, abused America's 14th Amendment, frauded all services available to citizens, destroyed the public school systems, made a mockery of property damage and the deaths of American citizens, and have cost the country hundreds of billions of dollars. Now, after years of Mexican whining and debate, a physical barrier will be one solution to the problem; America could gain back much that has been lost. Every day America neglects the priority of exporting illegal aliens, or simply taking control of the situation, millions of US dollars are shipped to Mexico. Every day the drug trade strengthens, jobs that could be acquired by actual US citizens are lost. People who perform jobs in America that are allegedly not sought after by citizens are commonly called day laborers and fruit pickers. While they are the main supporting argument for illegal aliens to stay and for us to not enforce our laws, evidently, illegals taking American jobs in itself is a momentous problem. Studies have shown that poverty in America has risen in direct correlation to the increasing numbers of illegal aliens. If the country enforces our laws, deports all illegal aliens, finishes building the barriers between Brownsville, Texas and California, it will effectively raise the standards of this country again. America would immediately show improvements. The poor communities will be able to access many jobs, crime and drug trafficking would show significant decreases, and schools around America will have more room and will be able to provide more amenities to the actual citizens of America. Local communities and various states will be able to effectively turn their attention to other pertinent issues at hand and finally wash their hands of the illegal alien burden that has plagued America for decades. Mocking our proclamation is unbearable, and as expected, squatters and Straw-men will feign struggle to authenticity and verisimilitude. Illegal and illicit in this regard, are of course, duplicitous. No matter how pathetic the excessive tearful sentimental dog and pony show is presented…

And immediately the trolls, the know-nothings, and the fanatics come out of their caves to rant.

When you invoke the Bible remember that as Christians, once Christ died for us, we became a people no longer under the law, but under grace. Remember as well that Christ said "It would be better for him if a millstone were hung around his neck and he were thrown into the sea, than that he would cause one of these little ones to stumble."

Illegal immigration is a problem, yes. And yet people still come here because they are willing to take jobs most Americans will not. At the point that the laws are enforced, and it is no longer cost-effective to hire illegals, the hiring will stop, and the illegal entries cease. But the law must be enforced.

And the Fourteenth Amendment guarantees anyone born in this country citizenship. Citizenship is also conferred on those children born outside the United States if their parents are US Citizens. Reading the Constitution also means reading the Amendments and the Bill of Rights.

May God forgive you your hatred.

Re: Tex

The Bible was written in Hebrew and in Aramaic many many generations before you or I were born. Unless you read those languages, you are reading someone's interpretation of what was said.

You must indeed be reading a different Bible than my Baptist minister read, because what you say is nowhere in my translation. I am always reminded when I read that the Old Testament does not apply to me--I was given a New Testament in Jesus Christ and in his words. I am no longer a believer under the law--I am a believer under grace--the grace of God and the grace of Christ.

I will pray that you reach an understanding of the right way to believe and to behave to your fellow men and women.

I know your comment was directed at Tex, but I wanted to respond to your comment.

It fascinates me as to how some will conjure perception of the Biblical model in regards to the illegal alien problem. One does need to use restraint in falling to extreme, and your revision of the various words translated as outsider allows for a more nuanced approach. As from Romans 13, there is need to respect laws. However, to be impartial, Paul instructs his believers to obey government authorities because "he is God's servant for good" to punish wrongdoers (Rom 13:4). Similarly, Peter says authorities are sent by God to punish those who do wrong and commend those who do right (1 Pet. 2:14). In both cases, believers are being exhorted to follow government authorities because they are being used by God to enact a simple logic of justice, rudimentary common sense wisdom of right and wrong. Governments are not expected to enforce the higher law of Christ, which requires more deliberation. Rather, government is just expected to enforce a clearly evident standard of fairness: punish those who do evil, reward those who do well. The problem with our current will to enforce immigration law is not a question of illegal aliens having done wrong, but rather that they have an enormous number of abettors, unequivocal and inherent. Most conspicuously, how about the wage levels illegal aliens are paid (which defenders always use the cliché: they do the work Americans won't do)? How about those who hire them, wink at questionable documents (or in some cases tell them where they can access forged documents)? What about when you give your business to a restaurant that hires dishwashers who don't speak English, or when your neighbor hires a landscaping company whose workers don't speak English (lack of English is conclusive evidence of legality). My point is we have an entire economy that employs illegal alien, but a legal system that turns a blind eye. A couple of hundred thousand are deported each year while 200,000 enter every month. Less than 100 employers are prosecuted. That does not appear to meet any standard of justice, enforcing the law on some, but not others who are equally guilty. The reason why employers are almost never prosecuted is that, under the intense lobbying by The National Council of La Raza and the Mexican government, Congress has ignored immigration law in such a way that it is very difficult to prosecute, except in the most egregious cases. So while it technically is illegal to hire an illegal alien, you are very unlikely to either get caught or be prosecuted. Therefore, businesses that want to follow the law and hire only legal workers are at a disadvantage to those companies that hire illegal aliens for lower wages, thus taking jobs that most Americans will not as you infer. That does not seem like our immigration laws are rewarding those who do well, and punishing those who do wrong. If we really want justice and enforcement of immigration laws, then the enforcement should be on both the illegal aliens, and those who aid and abet their criminal presence. Maybe if more owners and managers of construction companies, hotels, restaurants, slaughterhouses, fast food, etc. start facing the enforcement of law, then we will see more of a push to create permissible channels for otherwise law-abiding people to fill jobs. Alternatively, unemployed Americans can apply for those positions and wages will have to increase considerably, and customers will need to pay a little more for services, which is the way it's supposed to be. Our corrupt spineless political representatives do nothing for fear of the racism label and finger-pointing. Mexico, and anchor babies loyal to Mexico demand we step aside and allow the deluge of people into the country. After all, they just want to feed their families (and re-conquer the American Southwest). They have artificially inflated their currency, have campaigned to attract our automobile and textile manufacturing to Mexico, have pushed for Mexican trucks to traverse the entire United States highway system, have claimed that Americans are lazy to not work at their wage structures. We are conned to believe illegal aliens work hard. No one ever looks at the situation realistically: If an illegal alien is making $6. An hour, they are actually making $75. An hour based on the Peso to Dollar Ratio. The American worker is at a disadvantage, and should never be – which is the point. No one hates immigrants. Americans dislike illegal immigration, especially at the alarming rates. Is there a magic number where compassion stops? Should we encourage people to break the law because we must demonstrate we hold the higher moral ground of kindness? No, it has been perceived as weakness. That's why there are over 40 million illegal aliens in the country. As a nation, we must support the enforcement of our immigration laws, and demonstrate that the system rewards those who do well, and punishes those who do evil. Turning a blind eye because of race or the interpreting that those against the tsunami of illegal aliens invading the country are sinister or cruel to their fellow man is adolescent at best.