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Dear Margo: I have been married for 21 years. We have two daughters, 17 and 9. After we married, my husband started getting really mad at me and yelling until I cried. He blamed me for everything — I was a bad housekeeper, I didn't discipline the kids properly, I was too sensitive, etc. He took a job out of state, and I discovered that, without him, our house was very calm and quiet, the girls behaved fine, and I was happy. I began to realize that his behavior was bullying and abusive, and he was immature. (He also lies.)

He is now back home, and my feelings for him have totally died. I've consulted an attorney and a divorce financial planner, but I am concerned about ruining my oldest daughter's last year of high school if we move. I have also read so many articles saying that children of divorce suffer in many ways. Therapists have been of no use (one even rationalized his behavior). I think I can make it financially. I am frugal, and we have very little debt. Can you offer any wisdom or insight that might help me? I want to do what's best for my girls. — Almost Out the Door

Dear Al: Well, you've done the hard work already: You've proved empirically that life is better without him. I do agree that children of divorce pay a price, but they also benefit from a tranquil and peaceful home, where Mom is not in tears and Dad is not declaiming at the top of his lungs about what is wrong with Mom. For kids to witness yelling and frost and no love can be more harmful than divorce.

Regarding your daughter's last year of high school, you stay in the house for at least the year and tell him to move out, which is standard operating procedure, anyway. I applaud your thoughtful decision, and my hunch is that life as a divorced woman will be better than you imagine.

Plus, one never knows what, or who, is around the corner. You might even stumble into a great guy who is, shall we say, better balanced. — Margo, encouragingly

Being Young and Feeling Powerless

Dear Margo: I am a teenage girl in my junior year of high school. I'm a good student — quiet, hardworking, honest. Recently, a teacher accused me of cheating on a test. She insisted I was copying answers from a piece of paper in my hand. However, I had no paper in my hand, and every answer on the test was my own. She spoke to me after class and told me that she had to report it as a cheating incident. When the report was e-mailed to my parents, it said that I had cheated on the test and was to receive a zero. This brought my B average down to an F. I thought about it and realized that I had been presumed guilty, not innocent, and there was neither proof beyond a reasonable doubt that I had cheated, nor a preponderance of the evidence that I had cheated. Therefore, this would not stand up in a court of law (neither criminal nor civil). It comes down to a "she said/she said" debate. I know there are limited rights in schools, and that teachers have more authority than students, but it can't be right for a completely innocent student to be punished for an infraction she did not commit. Can it? — Feeling Wronged

Dear Feel: Unless one of your parents is a lawyer, you have pretty good information about the law that I'd wager most teenagers do not have. I will assume you really are a teen, however, and suggest you find a way to appeal this decision to someone above your teacher. Perhaps the principal? When you say "there was not proof beyond a reasonable doubt," was there any proof? My offhand guess would be that unless the teacher confiscated the piece of paper, with some pressure you could get your B average back. — Margo, legalistically

Dear Margo is written by Margo Howard, Ann Landers' daughter. All letters must be sent via e-mail to dearmargo@creators.com. Due to a high volume of e-mail, not all letters will be answered.

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Husbands are unreasonable, I am one so I know. However sometimes they do make reasonable criticisms and complaints and wives often react in a hostile way to constructive and even necessary complaints and comments. Maybe the therapist who rationalized your husbands behavior had a point. Maybe a love affair that could still be saved is about to be destroyed completely. I have a novel idea. The next time your husband criticizes or complains say to him, "I'm sorry, I'd like to make you happy, what can I do?"
Comment: #1
Posted by: Gamalpha
Sat Feb 6, 2010 7:05 AM
Gramalpha - are you serious? "I'm sorry I made you yell at me. What can I do to make you feel better?" So you subscribe to the boot-licking school of relationships, as long as it's your boots that are getting licked? Both partners should be ready to apologize when they're in the wrong, and a husband who "yells until she cries" is in the wrong! Almost Out The Door should go with her gut and tell him it's over. If her teenage daughters saw how the father treated their mother, and realized how calm things were when he was gone, it's not going to "traumatize" them the way this mother fears.
Comment: #2
Posted by: Maggie Lawrence
Sat Feb 6, 2010 8:14 AM
I agree that LW1 should go ahead and sent her HUSBAND out the door. An abusive husband probably also is an abusive father -- whether he blames and yells at the girls or not, he's exposing them to the way he treats their mother. NO WAY is Gamalpha's take on this correct.
LW2 should have asked that the principal be contacted as soon as the teacher took her aside to claim she was cheating. I hope it's not too late, but yes, go up the chain of command and see how it goes. If the teacher can't produce a cheat sheet in that student's handwriting, the grade should be changed and apology given to the girl AND her parents.
Comment: #3
Posted by: Bonnie Simpson
Sat Feb 6, 2010 9:35 AM
Gamalpha, you are right about one thing - you ARE unreasonable! What you are calling a "love affair," the LW is describing as hell on earth. There is NEVER a reason to berate someone endlessly. If she was that terrible a wife for 21 years, why didn't HE leave? Or do what mentally healthy people do: accept that he couldn't change his wife's "inadequacies" and make the necessary adjustments in his life. No one, child or adult, should have to live in a war zone. And no mentally healthy person yells all the time. This guy is an abuser and a bully, pure and simple, and LW should have gotten out long ago so her kids wouldn't learn that this kind of behavior is acceptable.
Comment: #4
Posted by: Carla
Sat Feb 6, 2010 9:53 AM
Almost, get out of the relationship. If your soon-to-be ex-husband does not leave. You leave. I was a product of a marriage that stayed together for the kid. I was miserable. I was blamed for everything and my dad was abusive to both my mom and me. I would have gladly went to a different high school my senior year to get away from all that. Talk to your children and tell them straight up what is going on. Also with the Internet and sites like Facebook and MySpace, your children can still keep in touch with old friends and will be apt to make new ones because they live in a more tranquil environment.
Comment: #5
Posted by: Rachel Joiner
Sat Feb 6, 2010 11:11 AM
It's very sad to see the vicious female reactions to my comments. This is what we men have to put up with. Feminine rage. Go ahead hate men and then when you are vicious to them and your marriages fall apart commiserate with your girlfriends on how awful men are. Don't look in the mirror and say gee maybe it's me. If you do that your relationship might have a chance but it's so much easier to blame men.
Comment: #6
Posted by: Gamalpha
Sat Feb 6, 2010 6:13 PM
It's very sad to see the female hostility expressed in these comments. It's so much easier to blame men than to look in the mirror and face one's on faults. There is a lot of feminine rage expressed in these comments. Blaming others for one's own guilt may make one feel good but it destroys relationships. My wife told me how before she got married she had female acquaintances who would get together and talk about how horrible men are. It never occurred to them that they were the ones being horrible to men.

I had a relationship once with a very difficult woman. I found out what she was saying to her friends about us. Her version of events made me look like a monster. All her friends sympathized with her and agreed that she should break up the relationship. That's what she wanted to hear. The only problem is she had the same problems with the richer man she then dated. Is that because all men are monsters or is it because she will carry her issues with her whereever she goes until the day comes it ever comes when she looks in the mirror and points at her reflection and says I'm guilty.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UZivRD3ADUQ
Comment: #7
Posted by: Gamalpha
Sat Feb 6, 2010 6:28 PM
Re: Gamalpha. Get used to it, buddy. I've been hanging around here for months and the moment I say something that the ladies don't like, they all pile on. (I have long suspected that us guys are in the minority on this site.) Many of them don't seem to understand that nobody's forcing them to read offensive comments.
Comment: #8
Posted by: Matt
Sat Feb 6, 2010 11:30 PM
Re: Gamalpha - kindly point out one example of "vicious feminine rage" in response to your comment that when a husband criticizes his wife, she should ask him how she can do better. Your smug superior attitude is what brought out the negative, and of course there's Matt to commiserate with you about how bad men have it. For the record, I adore the men in my life, particularly my husband who, as far as I'm concerned, is just about perfect. That makes it even harder for me to understand women who tolerate abuse and criticism on a long term basis - just as men shouldn't have to put up with it from a mate as well. Maybe YOU should take a good look in the mirror!
Comment: #9
Posted by: Maggie Lawrence
Sun Feb 7, 2010 7:16 AM
Maggie, when a man says a woman should listen to constructive criticism without getting hostile or paranoid he's merely telling the truth. Contrary to your paranoid reaction it does not mean that he has a smug superior attitude.
Comment: #10
Posted by: Gamalpha
Sun Feb 7, 2010 7:56 AM
Gamalpha, funny - a woman should thank you for "constructive criticism" and if she doesn't? Paranoid reaction! That's priceless. Kindly point out what I have said in this forum that constitutes a "paranoid reaction." You must be a real pill to live with.
Comment: #11
Posted by: Maggie Lawrence
Sun Feb 7, 2010 2:29 PM
Yelling is never constructive criticsm; it's abuse. Gamalpha, please do some reading and research on verbal
and emotional abuse, which the letter-writer above has clearly endured for many years.
Comment: #12
Posted by: Bigsis676
Sun Feb 7, 2010 9:09 PM
#1: This sounds suspiciously like a friend of mine. Before she moved back to her hometown to live with her fiancee, she had ZERO skills. She couldn't cook, couldn't clean, couldn't do a lot of very basic things that I told her she would want to do if she wasn't planning on getting a job to help out with income, and since she didn't graduate high school a good job was out of the question. Well, a year later the man lost his business to the economy and suddenly having a freeloader wasn't his idea of fun romance anymore. He got mad that she wasn't doing anything to help out, even though she tried to help (keyword being tried, since she apparently didn't even know how to run the washing machine), and he was so frustrated that he was more like a parent than a fiancee to her he eventually told her to get out. I have no idea why this woman is suddenly getting yelled at, but she mentioned she was "too sensitive"... well, is she? I think she should have asked her husband what was wrong YEARS ago, because it sounds like she doesn't even know why he changed. Maybe she's a lazy bum who doesn't clean after herself? Maybe she's totally justified in being upset, I don't know, but I know people who stay home and don't do housework and then get upset when their husbands come home expecting them to have done SOMETHING and the girls don't think they need to do anything at all. Call me old fashioned, but if you don't go to work, you still have to do work.

I'm a girl, but I wanted the guys to know that they are right, it isn't always the women who are innocent. I think this person needs to find out why things went south, but I really doubt she'll be able to save the marriage. Also, if she wants to move out, why not move to a different home in the same city? If she doesn't have any income, which she doesn't, a cheap apartment on the other side of town would mean she could save money AND her girls could go to the same school AND there would be no more Mr. Shoutypants.

#2 - LOL kid's got a thesaurus :D If the kid hasn't gone to the principal yet, that should be her first move. If she really doesn't have a bad record, and she's never been to the principal before, he'll probably listen to her and actually make an effort to help. I'm not sure this needs to go to court (and how does a high school grade go from a B to an F from just one test??? Was it a final??? Because outside of college I've never heard of that happening!)

...okay, ha, I wrote a LOT... sorry everyone.
Comment: #13
Posted by: Brooke
Sun Feb 7, 2010 11:40 PM
Gamalpha
Comment: #14
Posted by: jenn
Mon Feb 8, 2010 12:50 AM
Gamalpha i met your type before..pathetic, unattractive, low self esteem, no real future, bad in bed, boring personality..your mad at world cause your a loser..so what do you do? take it out on women..what better way to make yourself feel like a man then to point out a womans faults...but let me guess, when it comes to confronting MEN your nothing but a coward ..your nothing but a little B*TCH..i suggest conseling..cry over whatever is bothering you..maybe your mother didnt breast feed you long enough etc..come to terms with YOUR faults then learn what it means to be a REAL man
Comment: #15
Posted by: jenn
Mon Feb 8, 2010 12:59 AM
Dear Margo,
I hope you all answer this but not in the newspaper. I trully need an unbiased prespective regarding my situation. I am a widow. My husband died 15 years ago. I have a nice pension and can never remarry or I lose all benefits including the health care plan. I have been with a man for 13 years. We do not call each other husband or wife and it is known that we will not marry. I live in his house and pay rent and share expenses. We do not wish to marry or establish a common law situation. We've both been married before and will not have a family together as he is now 71 and I am 61. We have been very close and with each others families. He is a nice man, but oblivious to others feelings. Recently he gave his mother a very large 95th birthday party. I was not included in the pictures as such. I had to ask for a picture with him and his mother. Toward the end all the family and some friends had a very big group picture taken. My girlfriend and I were sitting on the side at a table. He was positioned directly behind his mother and looked right toward us. My friend pointed out I should have been there too. I had already been thinking that but he did not invite me. I didn't feel comfortable worming my way next to him without him asking me. My feelings are very hurt and the hurt goes deep as to where I don't feel I can continue the warm relationship we once had. I am struggling with the decision to move out on my own or just stay, on a more separate relationship as renter and landlord. Please give me your point of view. Hurt Feelings
Comment: #16
Posted by: Lauren Vidal
Mon Feb 8, 2010 6:21 AM
I lived a nightmare like that for 20 years until I caught him cheating. I promptly threw him out. Me and my two daughters were never happier. The stress was out of our house. A few months after my divorce, my single neighbor started helping me with yard work. Yep, you guessed it, one year later we were married.

This ticked off my ex to no end. Not only did I marry someone he knew, but he moved into the house we built. My ex married the woman he cheated on me with and 8 years later she threw him out. My ex is nothing but a lying/cheating excuse of a man.
Sharon
Comment: #17
Posted by: sharon
Mon Feb 8, 2010 10:25 AM
So Gamalpha, if its ok for a husband to give that kind of "contructive criticism", then its ok for your wife to do that back to you, right? If she gets after you in that manor you will ask her what you can do to make her happy right?
Comment: #18
Posted by: Rachael
Tue Feb 9, 2010 3:07 AM
There you go again as Ronald Reagan once said. I'm trying to say don't always blame the man, look in the mirror and listen to constructive criticism and be kind and you might save your relationship. That you find very offensive. Instead of listening to me you attack me with comments such as
So you subscribe to the boot-licking school of relationships, as long as it's your boots that are getting licked? You accuse me of a smug superior attitude. You right that "You must be a real pill to live with"
That is a paranoid hostile reaction. Women and men should appreciate constructive criticism from their spouses instead of reacting in a hostile way. It's the hostile paranoid reaction that destroys relationships. There is always going to be something that makes a spouse angry. It's how you deal with that which determines whether your relationship survives or not.
I notice how when men yell it's abuse and the wife should dump him. What about when women yell. They yell a lot and that's not considered abuse by women like you to whom women are always the innocent victim of the evil abusive man. Maybe if a man is angry and yells the woman did something that she shouldn't have done to get him so angry that he raised his voice.
Comment: #19
Posted by: Gamalpha
Fri Feb 12, 2010 12:25 PM
Jenn had more insults than Maggie. Here they are
Gamalpha i met your type before..pathetic, unattractive, low self esteem, no real future, bad in bed, boring personality..your mad at world cause your a loser..so what do you do? take it out on women.

No Jenn I'm not taking it out on women. That is paranoia. Just from that paranoid reaction I no that you dump whatever men you manage to date. Why because you become paranoid of them. You end the relationships thinking the man was an awful person, if you date men that is, and move on to another failed relationship.

I'm saying stop the paranoia and you'll be a lot happier.
Comment: #20
Posted by: Gamalpha
Fri Feb 12, 2010 12:30 PM
Yay Brooke. Now there's a woman with a brain who a guy would be lucky to date.
Comment: #21
Posted by: Gamalpha
Fri Feb 12, 2010 12:33 PM
Gamalpha--I see your point and won't jump down your throat like some of the other "paranoid" reactions here, but there is a considerable difference and responsibility we all have in delivering our messages. Simply because something is true, doesn't make it kind. How you deliver constructive criticism can make a huge difference in how it is received---whether it is viewed as kindly intented with concern for you (ideally) or whether it's simply critical and perhaps even cruel. Criticism is not an easy thing for most people to accept, so it's delivery is important. I agree with you in the conecpt that in every argument, there are two people, two contributions. But yelling is not an acceptable reaction either; it may be understandable and the wife's actions may have contributed to provoking her husband to yell (and rightly she should look at her contributions) but it doesn't justify the actions. I think some are jumping down your throat because it is eerily close to someone saying, "well I wouldn't hit her if she didn't act that way." No matter how angry or hurt you are, we each have a responsibility for our actions---and abuse, both mental and physical--is not an acceptable reaction ever. Ideally, if they were both self-aware or more enlightened, then they would be able to view both of their actions and take responsibility for their contributions. And this may be where counseling could help considerably, if they're both willing to go. However, marriage takes 2 people; divorce only takes 1.
Comment: #22
Posted by: Lindsey
Tue Mar 9, 2010 3:29 PM
Gamalpha isn't the sharpest when it comes to advising women on handling their abusers, but some of the responses to him have been a little severe. He's never been on the receiving end of abuse or he'd know that a round of abuse is going to take its ugly course no matter how polite and deferential the person being abused tries to be.

The best thing is always to always end your relationship with an abuser after the first time it happens or now, whichever is soonest.
Comment: #23
Posted by: LouisaFinnell
Tue Oct 18, 2011 9:00 PM
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