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Sometimes a Columnist is Right, and Social Security is Wrong

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Note to my readers:
   
About 95 percent of working people in this country pay into Social Security. The other 5 percent are exempt from paying Social Security taxes for a variety of reasons. Among that small group are teachers in a handful of states like California, Texas -- and as we'll learn in this week's column -- Missouri.
   
And to help you understand what this column is talking about, you should know that a spouse can be due up to one-half of the primary earning spouse's Social Security. For example, if I get $1,000 in a monthly Social Security retirement benefit, my wife is potentially due up to $500 per month as a dependent wife on my record.
   
Q: I'm a retired teacher from Missouri. As you maybe know, most teachers in Missouri don't pay into Social Security. I get about $5,000 per month from our teacher's retirement system. But my wife worked at a job where she did pay into Social Security. She gets about $1,200 in a monthly Social Security retirement benefit. Am I due any husband's benefits on her record?
   
A: No. The law treats your teacher's pension as if it were a Social Security retirement pension. And Social Security retirement pensions have always offset spousal benefits. For example, my neighbor, Sam, gets $2,000 per month from Social Security. His wife, Nancy, also gets a Social Security benefit. Her rate is the same as your wife's Social Security -- about $1,200 per month. Sam can't receive a husband's benefit on Nancy's Social Security record because his own Social Security benefit offsets it dollar for dollar. And for that matter, Nancy can't get any benefits as a wife on Sam's record because her $1,200 benefit is more than her potential spousal benefit.
   
The law, it's called the "government pension offset," actually cuts teachers like you a bit of slack. Instead of a dollar for dollar offset, teachers who receive pensions from jobs that were not covered by Social Security have a three for two offset.
In other words, an amount equal to two-thirds of your teacher's pension must be used to offset any husband's benefits you might be due on your wife's Social Security record. Two-thirds of $5,000 is $3,300. And that is way more than the $600 you'd potentially be due from your wife's Social Security account. So that means you are not due husband's benefits from Social Security.

A SHORT TIME AFTER E-MAILING AN ANSWER TO THIS PERSON, HE SENT ME A FOLLOW-UP:
   
Q: I actually had already applied for husband's benefits from Social Security. And I just received a letter from the Social Security Administration telling me I'm due about $600 per month in husband's benefits. I just called their 800 number. A representative told me that if I got an official letter from them, then I must be due the money. What's going on here?
   
A: I really think you got incorrect information from SSA. I strongly recommend you make an appointment to visit your local Social Security office. Ask to speak to a supervisor or manager. Make sure he or she understands you are getting a pension from a job that was not covered by Social Security.

A FEW DAYS LATER, I RECEIVED ANOTHER E-MAIL FROM THE RETIRED MISSOURI TEACHER:
   
Q: Well, I went to the Social Security office and talked to the manager. And you were right! Because of my teacher's pension, I was not due any husband's benefits on my wife's record. They have cancelled my claim for benefits. But now I wonder: If you had never told me to do this, would I have gotten Social Security benefits I wasn't due for the rest of my life? (I don't know if I should thank you or not!)
   
A: The Social Security Administration matches their records with other retirement system's computers. So somewhere down the road, SSA computers and Missouri teacher's retirement computers would have talked to each other. And eventually SSA would have realized its mistake. Probably a year or two down the road, you would have gotten a benefit termination letter and a demand to repay all the Social Security benefits that were incorrectly paid to you.
   
If you have a Social Security question, Tom Margenau has the answer. Contact him at thomas.margenau@comcast.net. To find out more about Tom Margenau and read features by other Creators Syndicate writers and cartoonists, visit the Creators Syndicate website at www.creators.com.

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I have a question pertaining to your article written Tuesday, February 23, 2010. My wife retired as a teacher in Texas. She did not have sufficient credits for employment outside the State of Texas to receive Social Security benefits, so she receives retirement ($1,800/MO) from the State of Texas. I think this is about what she would have received from Social Security for the number of years she worked. I am retired from the private sector and receiving Social Security. It is my understanding that when I die, my wife cannot receive any portion of my Social Security benefits. I have also heard that if she had been a stay-at-home Mom and not worked outside the home, she would be entitled to 50 % of what I was receiving at my death. Is this correct? If so, there is something wrong with this picture.
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Posted by: BILL MAY
Tue Mar 2, 2010 12:03 PM
I have a comment about what you wrote in the dallas morning news on march 2, 2010. Could it be that :
(this is what you wrote on the web). Sometimes a columnist is right, and social security is wrong. Or could it be?
Sometimes social security is right and a columnist is wrong. Just kidding. Anyway you said in the paper
about this man that is 63 and had been out of work, but may be looking for another job, and what would this
do to his benefits. "You said that if he went over to much his benefits could be "suspended." Well now he's thinking
that this could really happen, even if he went over just a little. I think this is wrong, only because I've been on
s.s benefits from the time I turned 62, and I've gone over the limit two times, and all they said for me to do is,
pay back what I went over in payments. By taking a little out of my s.s check, like maybe 50 a month till what I
went over was paid back. I think its like if I'm $1,000 over, I pay back $500. Am I right that for whatever
amount a person goes over their limit by working, all they have to do is pay back half of that amount. They even
said that I cound make my payments at the local s.s office. What ever amount you want them to take out, they
say its up yo you. I say pay it back as soon as possible. For me anyway, at one point I was over my limit by as
much as $2,300 and was told by the s.s person that all I had to pay back was I think $1,150 back. (Half) The
way you wrote your comment about this man, he may be thinking that there is no way out, that he will be
suspended period if he goes over any limit. You did not add that its also possible to pay back to s.s at
anytime you go over your limit. For me anyway, s.s gave me more then a year to pay them back. This way a
person keeps getting their s.s checks less maybe $50.00 . Say if someone gets $950.00 in their s.s check, and
s.s takes out $50.00 out each month, they are still going to get a $900.00 check each and ever month. "They
also said that a person can pay them back in two monthly payments. For some people that may be just a little
to much to be taken out so soon. These days for many of us, that check is what keeps many of us from the
poor house, just one step from living under a bridge. Anyway I would like to thank you for letting me write
to you and let me express myself, and I do enjoy reading your column. You help so many people.
I must add this. Please people, read each and ever letter sent by s.s this is very very important.
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Posted by: floyd smith
Wed Mar 3, 2010 9:07 PM
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