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Is Torture Ever Moral?

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After opening the door to a truth commission to investigate torture by the CIA of al-Qaida subjects, and leaving the door open to prosecution of higher-ups, President Obama walked the cat back.

He is now opposed to a truth commission. That means it is dead. He is no longer interested in prosecutions. That means no independent counsel — for now.

Sen. Harry Reid does not want any new "commissions, boards, tribunals, until we find out what the facts are." Thus, there will be none. The place to find out the facts, says the majority leader, is the intelligence committee of Sen. Dianne Feinstein.

Though belated, White House recognition that high-profile public hearings on the "enhanced interrogation techniques" used by the CIA in the Bush-Cheney years could divide the nation and rip this city apart is politically wise.

For any such investigation must move up the food chain from CIA interrogators, to White House lawyers, to the Cabinet officers who sit on the National Security Council, to Dick Cheney, to The Decider himself.

And what is the need to re-air America's dirty linen before a hostile world, when the facts are already known.

The CIA did use harsh treatment on al-Qaida. That treatment was sanctioned by White House and Justice Department lawyers. The NSC, Cheney and President Bush did sign off. And Obama has ordered all such practices discontinued.

This is not a question of "What did the president know and when did he know it?" It is a question of the legality and morality of what is already known. And on this, the country is rancorously split.

Many contend that torture is inherently evil, morally outrageous and legally impermissible under both existing U.S. law and the Geneva Convention on prisoners of war.

Moreover, they argue, torture does not work.

Its harvest is hatred, deceptions and lies. And because it is cowardly and cruel, torture degrades those who do it, as well as those to whom it is done. It instills a spirit of revenge in its victims.

When the knowledge of torture is made public, as invariably it is, it besmirches America's good name and serves as a recruiting poster for our enemies and a justification to use the same degrading methods on our men and women.

And it makes us no better than the Chinese communist brain-washers of the Korean War, the Japanese war criminals who tortured U.S.

POWs and the jailers at the Hanoi Hilton who tortured Sen. John McCain.

Moreover, even if done in a few monitored cases, where it seems to be the only way to get immediate intelligence to save hundreds or thousands from imminent terror attack, down the chain of command they know it is being done. Thus, we get sadistic copycat conduct at Abu Ghraib by enlisted personnel to amuse themselves at midnight.

While the legal and moral case against torture is compelling, there is another side.

Let us put aside briefly the explosive and toxic term.

Is it ever moral to kill? Of course. We give guns to police and soldiers, and honor them as heroes when they use their guns to save lives.

Is it ever moral to inflict excruciating pain? Of course. Civil War doctors who cut off arms and legs in battlefield hospitals saved many soldiers from death by gangrene.

The morality of killing or inflicting severe pain depends, then, not only on the nature of the act, but on the circumstances and motive.

The Beltway Snipers deserved death sentences. The Navy Seal snipers who killed those three Somali pirates and saved Captain Richard Phillips deserve medals.

Consider now Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, mastermind of 9-11, which sent 3,000 Americans to horrible deaths, and who was behind, if he did not do it himself, the beheading of Danny Pearl.

Even many opponents against torture will concede we have the same right to execute Khalid Mohammed as we did Timothy McVeigh. But if we have a right to kill him, do we have no moral right to waterboard him for 20 minutes to force him to reveal plans and al-Qaida accomplices to save thousands of American lives?

Americans are divided.

"Rendition," a film based on a true story, where an innocent man suspected of belonging to a terrorist cell is sent to an Arab country and tortured, won rave reviews.

But more popular was "Taken," a film in which Liam Neeson, an ex-spy, has a daughter kidnapped by white slavers in Paris, whom he tortures for information to rescue her and bring her home.

Certainly, Cheney and Bush, who make no apologies for what they authorized to keep America safe for seven and a half years, should be held to account. But so, too, should Barack Obama, if U.S. citizens die in a terror attack the CIA might have prevented, had its interrogators not been tied to an Army Field Manual written for dealing with soldiers, not al-Qaida killers who favor "soft targets" such as subways, airliners and office buildings.

Patrick Buchanan is the author of the new book "Churchill, Hitler and 'The Unnecessary War." To find out more about Patrick Buchanan, and read features by other Creators Syndicate writers and cartoonists, visit the Creators Syndicate web page at www.creators.com.

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Sir;...Your comparison of torture with war frames the question entirely wrongly... I do not want to advertize for war or any kind of murder, but torture is worse of a crime... And you cannot justify a worse crime with a lesser crime...Think of the ten million prisoners killed by the Nazis...Which was to worse crime: to march people into gas chambers, or shoot them; or was it to enslave, torture, or brutalize them by way of killing them??? We all die, and the manor and circumstances do not matter all that much considering the result... But we all only have one life, and cannot reasonably expect another, and very often that life is not much but struggle and strife; and yet, because it is all we have, for one of us to make another's life a burden, and make them curse their lives, and regret every second of it because it has led to such pain, is a crime against humanity, and is far worse than murder....Life is gold, and to take that gold is expected... Life eats life from the smallest to the largest organism... But to turn that gold of life into lead, and make one wish away what they should hold most dear is a crime worse than all others... Only a sadist or an employer would do such evil... Most of us trade our lives for our lives...If we are forced to give cheap what we should hold dear, that too, is a crime... But the crime that makes the crime of torture politically possible is the fact that all people, to enjoy the ideal of capital, as an ideal, if not a reality, in fact live miserable lives that they universally wish away with every opportunity, and every fibre of their being... For such people, an ant under a magnified sun is to be envied, for his pain and life is short... Would they torture the poor Muslim??? They regret not being able to torture him themselves, and they admire those who can... Their own suffering gives them no sympathy, no understanding, and no concern because if they allowed themselves sympathy for others, they know they would recoil from their own pain as though from red hot iron... We could easily look around at this blessed land and ask why the inhabitants are so mean... I trust the goodness is sucked out of their lives by those who never will have enough... Maybe this land made of shiftless criminals and nobodies from distant lands never did have any essential goodness to lose, and instead, those people came here to give their corruption full freedom... But I see even the natural goodness of children squeezed out them to make the ideal ideal for a few, and a simple torture to all the rest... So, do not try to justify the conscious infliction of horror upon the human form... The human condition is such that we cannot escape pain to have sensitivity, and struggle as we may to achieve peace and understanding with others, we know some will spoil all for their own benefit...But we should be aware, that we are not moral as much as we rest upon our morals, and that the meaness we suffer in our lives we are inclined to communicate to the world, and our proclivity to torture says much about us that we cannot deny with our hands on the Bible...It is our crime come alive out of our own souls revealing our true nature as a people: Mean, Cruel, and Incontinent... It is wonderful to have a few ideals if they are put in perspective, but when people cannot see the abscess of consequences for the glory of their ideals they are living with madness... Thanks...Sweeney
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Posted by: James A, Sweeney
Tue Apr 28, 2009 11:46 AM
Mr. Buchanan - you missed one important point ... torture, no matter if its moral, a necessity or anything else, doesn't really have a high return rate. And why would it? Actually that was demonstrated in one of the movies that you mentioned. Many prisoners that get tortured just say anything to stop the torture. The ones that won't respond or will stand torture pain for a long time ... well, they will likely continue to do so ... or basically die before they say a word. That's why info generated from tortured prisoners can't really be trusted. And I think you touched on it ... after the torture and if the prisoner provides any info, the prisoner's HATE for us, for the 'west', get multiplied by 1000000. You let him go, and you've got just another 'sales rep' for the BinLaden 'terrorist corporation.' You've got one more angry and further anti-west guy that will breed the next generation anti-west terrorists. Tough to come up with a solution or even halfway regarding this issue ... but when analyzing it, the things I mentioned must be heavily weighed.
Comment: #2
Posted by: Ali Mogharabi
Tue Apr 28, 2009 3:41 PM
Re: Ali Mogharabi;..Sir, You miss the point of torture... First of all, it is designed to feed the sadistic nature of a frustrated and cruel people, and it is meant as a direct attack on a honor society which will prolong the conflict without end...If those people could trust their health and welfare to our government they might all surrender... We don't want them to surrender... We want them to fight so we can kill them...It is not about victory, but it is about justifying endless war... We do not understand those people... We mix like oil and water... It is possible that if we were allowed to understand them we might accept their religion and their rational... So long as we have the barrior of torture between us, and as long as we so willingly demonstrate our inhumanity we will not be able to have peace with those people because we have no honor, and cannot be trusted...I see that no relationship is possible without trust... Torture is the end of trust... We may as well kill them as torture them... They will sooner forgive us for death than an assault on their honor...Thanks...Sweeney
Comment: #3
Posted by: James A, Sweeney
Tue Apr 28, 2009 6:24 PM
Sweeny, you have got to be one of the biggest dipsticks to put a comment on these pages. Do you not realize that ending a persons life before it is time for it to be naturally over is a bigger crime than torture to save many more lives? Or do you think that if you kill many, many people that it is just time for them to die? Do you think shooting someone in the knee to get them to talk is better than water boarding? Maybe you think that cutting a couple of prisoners heads off would be a better way to get the rest of them to talk. Or are you just a selfritious jerk who likes to see his name in print?
Comment: #4
Posted by: gary
Fri May 1, 2009 7:51 AM
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