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The Obamacare Hydra


The Hydra was a mythical swamp beast whose multiple heads grew back after being severed. Obamacare is a real Washington monster whose countless hidden bureaucracies keep sprouting forth even after they're rooted out. As soon as combatants lop off one of the law's unconstitutional agencies, another takes its place.

On Thursday, as the behemoth federal health care law marked its second anniversary, House Republicans repealed the infamous Independent Payment Advisory Board. The mother of all death panels, IPAB would have unprecedented authority over health care spending through a rogue board of 15 Medicare spending czars. The House repeal has a snowball's chance in hell of surviving the Senate. But IPAB's legality is being challenged in federal court by the conservative Arizona-based Goldwater Institute. And the more the public knows about these freedom-usurping, taxpayer-soaking institutions buried in the health care law the less they like it.

Seven House Democrats crossed the aisle to vote for the GOP majority rollback. Analysts on both sides of the political aisle have decried IPAB's complete lack of accountability and insulation from judicial review. Critical decisions about public and private health insurance payment rates would be freed from the normal administrative rules process - public notice, public comment, public review — that governs every other federal commission in existence. Rep. Todd Akin, R-Mo., summed up bipartisan opposition: "IPAB embodies the very thing Americans fear most about ObamaCare — unaccountable Washington bureaucrats meeting behind closed doors to make unilateral decisions that should be made by patients and their doctors."

The problem with piecemeal repeal is that for every old IPAB, there's a new, multibillion-dollar bureaucracy waiting in the Obamacare wings. Senate Republicans and fellow medical doctors Tom Coburn and John Barrasso point to a $10 billion entity called the "Innovation Center" that "would test innovative payment and service delivery models to reduce program expenditures under Medicare, Medicaid and the State Children's Health Insurance Program (CHIP)."

According to a new Congressional Research Service analysis of this little known office to be operated by the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services, there would be "no administrative or judicial review" of the director's payment experiments.

Coburn and Barrasso explain that "(t)his means that the administrator of CMS is the sole individual in the entire federal government with the power to decide whether or not models tested negatively impact seniors' quality of care and meet the financial requirements spelled out in law."

This "innovation" super-czar would be allowed to tinker behind closed doors — and then impose whatever experiments the "innovation center" chooses without any checks or balances on the methods or results. Moreover, at least two other sub-offices within CMS (subject to normal open meetings and open records rules) have already been tasked with researching payment and delivery models. Health care blogger Tevi Troy at warns: "The 'innovation' center appears to be one more way in which the health-care law is going to interfere with the practice of medicine, and one that physicians should start paying more attention to."

It's not just physicians who need to pay attention. Every taxpayer has a stake. At the end of the month, this shadowy agency will start doling out $1 billion in grants to payment experiment groups and data-tracking system builders. Sounds like yet another pipeline for political payoffs and Chicago-style boodle that will result in less patient autonomy, fewer health care choices, more government intrusion and lower-quality care.

Final diagnosis: The Obamacare beast won't die until it's eradicated completely, root and branch.

Michelle Malkin is the author of "Culture of Corruption: Obama and his Team of Tax Cheats, Crooks & Cronies" (Regnery 2010). Her e-mail address is



33 Comments | Post Comment
I sure would like to know what those who "Obamacare" is covering now and will cover soon, who would not be covered without it, are supposed to do when the forces of right wing "common sense" succeed in getting rid of it. Die? Use prayer to cure themselves? Can someone who loves Ms. Malkin, or god forbid, Ms. Malkin herself, answer that?

Comment: #1
Posted by: Masako
Thu Mar 22, 2012 6:32 PM
Re: Masako

Go to the emergency room, a walk-in clinic and get the care needed...not too difficult, when your head is not so far see out clearly!
Comment: #2
Posted by: M. A. P.
Fri Mar 23, 2012 7:05 AM
Is covering a few extra people really worth having an enormous bureaucratically controlled healthcare system that costs 2 trillion dollars? There are already saftey nets in place for the uninsured or they might just consider getting jobs. Obamacare has never been about partient protection or coverage. Its always been about a government takeover of healthcare. And we can see from the Eurozone how a system like that turns out. Common sense means spending money within our means.
Comment: #3
Posted by: Chris McCoy
Fri Mar 23, 2012 7:13 AM
Chris, a few people who are uninsured? try 46 million and dare you infer that people who are uninsured should just "get jobs", what a pompous ass, I am in the health care industry, when we have a position open, we get over 200 resumes, from well qualified, highly educated people with great experience. People with great experience who only want to work, many have been laid off...your arrogance is stunning. Employers are now hiring 32 hour/full time people, that means work full time, no benefits, they don't want people insured and enough poor souls accept 32 hours/full time, even though they desperately need insurance, they also desperately need a job. I don't know how old you are but it is brutal out there. There is no safety net for the uninsured, HCA just announced they are charging $150.00 in advance for an ER visit, for the uninsured, unless it's a real emrgency, PROBLEM: How do know if your chest pain is a heart attack or a chili dog, unless you see a Dr. and have an EKG, well if you don't have $150..bucks, you get turned away. There are no free clinics, they are few and far between, they depend on donations and taxes, which are dried up. I hope you never lose your insurance and find out you have brain cancer, try getting all these freebies you talk about when you're sick and disabled and out of work.
Conservative Mantra: SCREW THEM, I'VE GOT MINE
Comment: #4
Posted by: Bloom Hilda
Fri Mar 23, 2012 3:49 PM
Bloom Hilda your argument is too much emotion; too little logic. Yes they should get a job, why not? Every one else does. If the job doesn't cover health care get a better one. If you can't find a better one, make one. This is America you're free to make your own life. If all you do is blame others for your plight and you do nothing to change your condition then you shouldn't be looking to get handouts to support yourself. If you work in the health industry you've seen the gold laden tattooed people who are getting their health care at the expense of the tax payer and getting picked up by their significant other in a new car but are depressed and need others to pay for their health care. These people have plenty of money to buy what they want just no money to buy what they need. The path to financial stability is as much in how you spend as how much you earn. I've recently heard a statistic that states people who are receiving a living from government money earn more than the average working person. It is true that the health care system is in trouble but most of the problems are because of government involvement not because of the lack of government involvement. It is unrealistic to believe that removing the cost of health care from the person receiving the benefit would ever lead to lower cost. If the cost to the person receiving any good of service is not payed by the person receiving the good or service the only possible outcome is costs out of control or shortages. In the United Kingdom and Canada the result is rationing which is a shortage by definition. Recently even before Obama care has gone into effect the government is already calculating the cost of the program at double what the estimates were when passed.
By the way the use of the "H" word was just a quote, their was no name calling, no insult, and you feign insult, then you out right call Catholics breeders.
You comments are unworthy of reading by anyone looking rational argument. They will simply have to go elsewhere.
Comment: #5
Posted by: C Moellers
Fri Mar 23, 2012 6:23 PM
Liberal Mantra: You've got something? Give it to me!
Comment: #6
Posted by: Tom
Fri Mar 23, 2012 7:42 PM
Re: C Moellers:
Guess what? I'm not going anywhere, but you're welcome to go back, sit down and turn your radio back on, I think Rush is giving out facts on Obamacare right now. I am so tired of hearing about the welfare queen with the cadillac, tired, tired, tired, you always pick that out of your bag of examples to prove your point. I'LL PROVE MY POINT AND BRING UP ENRON, THERE WE ARE EVEN. Every business is not full of crooks and everyone getting public assistance is not a crook. Now let's get away from your emotional points and deal with some facts. Once again, as I said with Chris, your arrogance is stunning, and so is your ignorance. Did you miss the part that said we get over 200 resumes for every job posting? When was the last time you searched for a job? Are you under 45, are you out of work, (that's a huge no no), do you have at least five years of exact experience for the job you are seeking? These are real measures used by employers. there are MILLIONS of hard working people out there that can not find a job. Sincere people that find the clock ticking on their survival who find their money dwindling and too much competition. It costs money to start a business Mr. Arrogance, and it's a gamble with what little money you have left that is needed to pay for one more month of rent and car insurance. When was the last time you started a business? How much money did you start with, what cushion did you have for the first 18 months before you became profitable, when 80% of new businesses fail their first year. Employers are cutting back on insurance or did you miss the 32hour/full time example? Savvy employers are avoiding benefits by having you work just under full time, or hiring as independent contracters, and offering no benefits. I am an insurance agent, I just wrote a policy for a 47 year old woman with well controlled mild hypertension, but otherwise perfectly healthy, the company excluded heart, blood pressure, stroke and kidneys from her policy, for the mere price of $1150 a month, of course she couldn't afford it, her employer hired her as an independent contracter to avoid benefits, so she is screwed.
Just go out and get a job or start a business, the cognitive disconnect of you conservative idiots is the reason the country is in the shape it's in. Now go have some dinner at Ruth Chris and enjoy your 18 holes at the club. Before you go home after the game, your wife called, she wants you to check out the bracelet she is buying at Tiffany's.
Yes, I am very emotional about injustice, deal with it....................
I repeat now more than ever after reading your post:
Conservative mantra: SCREW YOU, I'VE GOT MINE
Comment: #7
Posted by: Bloom Hilda
Sat Mar 24, 2012 5:42 AM
Liberal mantra is let's pretend that by taking someone else's money (not the liberal's money of course) and giving it to corrupt, incompetent politicians then we are helping the poor. This lets liberals who donate no time or money to charities sleep better at night. Studies consistently show that non-liberals donate more time and money to charity. If the government really helps the poor then why does every blighted area in this country consistently votes Democrat and every area without exception gets poorer and more crime-ridden?
Comment: #8
Posted by: Thetruth
Sat Mar 24, 2012 1:50 PM
Re: Thetruth
You know Tom, did you ever see the movie, Trading Places, you remind me of the part played by Dan Aykroyd. He was rich, but ended up poor, ended up stealing a piece of smoked salmon and shoving it down his pants because he was starving. I have been very involved with many charities, in Beverly Hills, and most of the big donors were wealthy Jews, Republicans and Liberals. There is philanthropy everywhere, it is not divided by political base. You are so naive and uniformed it is amazing. I just talked with a friend who told me about a close unemployed 62 year old friend, that we both know. The friend comes to the house to shower, he is homeless. Had a great job his whole life, hard worker. middle class, blue collar, white, salt of the earth. He told me about his last job interview, he took a two hour bus ride for the interview, had everything he owned on him in his backpack, he went into some woods to change for the interview and fell into a small creek. Everything was soaked, he wrung out his clothes and went to the interview. Of course he didn't get the job. This is what poor people have to deal with, even for a job interview. You elite, comfortable, priggly snobs, make me sick. You have no idea what it is to be poor, or unemployable. This guy interviews for every job he can, he had a job which paid minimum wage at a dollar store, he brought home $200 a week, the first week they cut off his food stamps, $200 a month, that left him with $600 a month for rent, transportation, no real bus service here, busses run every hour, forget paying for car insurance, health insurance, gas, electricity or any other living expens. He was let go from that job, too many employees and he was the newest, took him three months to get back on food stamps. He had no food. I would love to see you walking two weeks in this guys shoes. He will not get a life sustaining job at 62, not one that pays life sustaining wages.
Not everyone is a welfate queen, and Karma is a b.....h, be careful who you mock, it may soon be you.
Comment: #9
Posted by: Bloom Hilda
Sat Mar 24, 2012 3:35 PM
Bloom Hilda, I admire you, you make many good points and your facts are facts. And you take a beating for everything. The comments you get are so ridiculous they are funny. If there was ever proof about the dumbing down of America, this is it. Your critics have no critical thinking skills and they are angry they can't shut you up. These are the ones that listen to right wing talk radio, don't do research about facts and actually just follow what they are told. When you have a lack of good education, good teachers and good schools, the cycle just continues. They are quoting lies to support their opinion. But I want to say it's viewpoints such as yours and people like you that keep it real and keep America great. I'm thinking the point you're making is it's hard to pull yourself up by your bootstraps when you don't have any boots.

Truth is, Republicans have been growing and spending more of people's money to enrich their big donor base than any country history. Hoover, a Republican spent the country into a depression. Bush, a Republican, backrupted several businesses before nearly bankrupting the country as President. Republicans are the party of spend, spend, spend and raiding the tax base, despite their deceptions to the contrary.
Republicans appeal to the poor and uneducated people who claim to be born again Christians. The Republicans use the threat of big government in every aspect of their lives, and threaten more taxes will be needed if the Democrats are in charge. What they don't tell them is Democrats don't want to tax the poor, they want to increase taxes on the wealthy because let's face it, most of them got very wealthy on the backs of the poor and middle class. WalMart is not an anomaly and the poor don't spend their money overseas.

Those in the ten most poorest states vote a party line rather than individual candidates in the different offices up for election. Republicans prey on the fears of people instead of, or rather than being progressive and looking forward to solutions. The poor do not want change and are afraid of those who promise better days ahead. It is acceptance over clear thinking, better to do nothing than to rock the boat, and it is the will of God to vote for the Republicans. In Reality, God is most likely not happy with the Republicans or Democrats.
Possibly the Republicans don't have the best ideas about how to fix the economy and create jobs and maybe the poor should start looking around for a candidate who actually supports their needs. Apparently, that trickle down thing isn't even working in the Republican states except to make the rich richer and the poor poorer.
In my opinion, it's a preview of what the entire country will look like if the Republicans get back in control of the White House.
Comment: #10
Posted by: Steve
Sat Mar 24, 2012 4:59 PM
Re: Steve
Thank you Steve, that was nice...................
Comment: #11
Posted by: Bloom Hilda
Sat Mar 24, 2012 6:36 PM
Re: Bloom Hilda.

I have to say, I don't know why we bother even to attempt to communicate with this sad lot of folks who just can't get by without holding hatred in their hearts--they are the devil's answer to times crying out so much for compassion as they are now.

And the irony is, somehow these pathetic souls try to cloak themselves in the mantle of Christianity. As if the tone they take has anything to do with Christ. Can you imagine him saying, “you're just a slacker if you don't have a job. Talk to me when you do, and you can just starve, sicken, and pound sand until then.”

They display a lite version of the same mentality Hitler nurtured and pandered to in his quest to topple the democratic socialist institutions of Germany in the 1920's. (Sorry to invoke the H word, Bloom, but just can't resist when it is so appropriate.) Just substitute the word "liberal" for "Jew," and you've got the same infantile name-calling thing we have seen throughout history as a way for those who can't live without hate to express resentment against those who try to live up to taking on the sacred role God meant us humans to have, whether it is showing compassion to each other or to all the other creatures with whom we share this planet.

Should the right wing fantasy mongers ever decide to start learning something about the real world and study some history, they will find out just how much H and his fellow chewers on hatred and bitterness failed to make hatred work. The Germany Hitler hated is back now more democratic and socialist than ever, carrying just about all of Europe, and leading the world in economic stability and growth. Oh, and in case they want a little reality check, which of course is the last thing in the world they want, “Obamacare” pales in comparison to Germany's healthcare in terms of the government dictating the mandatory availability of medical care to all, regardless of ability to pay.

But these guys think that the sun and the universe revolve around Planet Right Wing Agenda USA, so they don't need to be bothered with facts of life outside of their little bubble of self-centered bitterness. Go to the ER for medical care--what a hoot. Obviously, none of these nitwits has ever tried to do that.

And they certainly can't be bothered with the reality that delivering medical care through ER services, as substandard as they are for non-emergency care and unrelated to so many of the ailments for which people need treatment, is the most costly and wasteful way medical care can possibly be delivered. So they don't want to admit they will be paying the bill anyway, and it will cost them a lot more than what "Obamacare" will. But this is not necessarily because they don't understand--it's more like they just want to phony up a "solution" so they can keep on with the fantasy.

Just not sure this conversation with these creatures is worth our time.

Comment: #12
Posted by: Masako
Sat Mar 24, 2012 6:56 PM
Re: Masako

You are right, but, it is always worth the time. Who was it that said, evil happens if enough good men do nothing. How could any sane society let forty six million people be uninsured and then complain that they are just lazy. Get a job, start a business, just pop into the ER, or a free clinic. I have to admit, I find it insane. Remember that Obamacare is the crown glory of Obamas' term and they will do anything to bring him down. It has nothing to do with reason or sense, it is a hate because he's black, liberal and for the common man. The fat rich white guys and pruny tea party Christians hate him and everything he stands for. This has nothing to do with the country...NOTHING, they would bury the country in a heartbeat to get at Obama, it's about money and power, money and power, money and power. You can't reason with a crazy person. None of these people are interested in facts, their diatribes are rants that shut out reason. ("If you're going to confuse me with the facts, I don't want to chit chat..." Dean Martin). And here is a secret I learned a long time ago, as soon as someone tells me they're Christian, I know they aren't. Virtute non verbis
Comment: #13
Posted by: Bloom Hilda
Sat Mar 24, 2012 8:10 PM
So now we know Steve, Broom, and Masako are the same person. Nothing in any of those posts addresses what I wrote. Distraction, changing the subject, and attacking the messenger instead of the message are classic tactics straight out of your liberal masters' play book. Look it up for yourself, study after study has shown that non-liberals give more money and time to charities. Not surpringly you didn't even make an attempt to answer my question about poor areas consistently voting Democrat and getting worse. If the government actually helped the poor instead of enriching themselves, their crony pals, their big bribers, and corrupt public sector unions then 99% of this country would be in favor of big government, but most clear thinking people can see it for themselves. So you use your elitist insults as all it does is show your stupidity. Wake up, the government does not help the poor.
Comment: #14
Posted by: Thetruth
Sat Mar 24, 2012 8:45 PM
Re: Thetruth said;

Look it up for yourself, study after study has shown that non-liberals give more money and time to charities.

And your point is what, in terms of anything being discussed?

The truth said:
Not surpringly you didn't even make an attempt to answer my question about poor areas consistently voting Democrat

And why should poor people vote for the "let them eat cake, I've got mine, screw you, party? They would be fools to vote for the party of helping the rich and screwing everyone else,,,SMART poor people, not that dumb, are they?
Comment: #15
Posted by: Bloom Hilda
Sun Mar 25, 2012 9:40 AM
Re: Thetruth

"that non-liberals give more money and time to charities."

And this has to do with the discussion or is important, How?

"you didn't even make an attempt to answer my question about poor areas consistently voting Democrat"

Why should anyone who is poor vote for the "let em eat cake, screw you, I've got mine party"? They're poor, not stupid....

stupid for anyone who is middle class or poor to vote for a party that consistently supports the wealthy and leaves everyone else in the dust.....
Comment: #16
Posted by: Bloom Hilda
Sun Mar 25, 2012 10:15 AM
Dear "Thetruth." A quote for you: War is peace, freedom is slavery, ignorance is strength." George Orwell.
Comment: #17
Posted by: Masako
Sun Mar 25, 2012 11:47 AM
Re: Bloom Hilda. And, of course none of these lightweights has answered the fundamental question, which is who among them offers anything but name-calling and fantasy as a better way to provide coverage to the millions left out if they succeed in destroying "Obamacare."

They can't, because fundamentally they just don't give hoot. This about "get off my back--I don't care and I don't have to."
Comment: #18
Posted by: Masako
Sun Mar 25, 2012 2:10 PM
Re: Masako
You are exactly right, the "let them eat cake", and "I've got mine, screw you" party:
The GOP is supported by three groups,
1. The incredibly wealthy, the very comfortable, or the financially not needy crowd, we'll call this the "Enron" crowd.
2. The sheep, the exteme religious right, the tea party, born again Christian, we'll call them the "in a coma" crowd.
3. The uneducated, uninformed, dumb as a rock, (I've got a six pack, a bag of Doritos, my cable works, I'm a happy guy), we'll call this the "Rush", crowd.
That's it, one has everything they need and could care less about anyone else, the other group is too much into evangelical nirvana (in a coma), and the last group is too stupid too realize they are voting against their own interests.
Unfortunately all of these crowds are only focused on their own specific needs, they are unable to see the big picture, that is their Shakespearean "Tragic Flaw", so as a group they can be known as the narcissistic party.
Comment: #19
Posted by: Bloom Hilda
Sun Mar 25, 2012 7:59 PM
Wow, there are a lot of long winded comments here that are very complicated, and I know its a very emotional and complex issue. But Obamacare is not a viable solution because we can't afford it. Its like a household with a middle class income buying a 2 million dollar bugati.
Comment: #20
Posted by: Chris McCoy
Mon Mar 26, 2012 7:16 AM
Re: Chris McCoy
Do you read anything about health care, you are already paying for everyone's healthcare, it's called cost shifting. Do you think the 46 million uninsured are getting their needs met for free? All Obmacare is doing is spreading the cost with INSURANCE when someone receives health care, you will see a Dr. for a headache and instead of a $1500.00 ER visit, that Dr., under Obamacare will charge your insurance company $60.00. Instead of your insurance paying $22.00 for an aspirin, everyone under Obamacare will pay 0.20 cents. Everyone will be covered, mostly by managed care, which has proven to be the most cost effective health coverage. My managed care plan let's me pick my Dr. and makes sure that my coverage is the most cost effective. Remember the good old days when the longer you stay in hospital and the more tests you had, the more your Dr. and the hospital made? Now it is just the opposite. Look up BEST PRACTICES and study it. It determines what is the most effective care that is cost effetive. Jesus, you people drive me nuts. you form opinions with NO information. Turn off Fox news and look up HEDIS, BEST PRACTICES, MEDICAL MODELS, UTILIZATION REVIEW, URAC, INTERQUAL, look up case management. OBAMACARE will be run under the best models, and guess what? if you have employer insurance it will be the same, you don't have to change your Dr., nothing will change, but it will still run under the same guidelines, right now there are no guidelines for the uninsured. Or would you rather pay $22.00 for that aspirin, because right now your employer or you is paying just that.
Unless you research and learn something about health care costs and financing, you have NOTHING to contribute as an opinion about OBAMACARE, your thoughts are based on media and not facts. The people fighting Obamacare are doing it to bury Obama before an election, not because they want to save money for the country. Having the country insured under Obamacare vs. having no coverage will save this country unbelievable money, it just means Joe Schmoe who doesn't bother with insurance, will have to bother, gee, maybe he'll have to give up that daily six pack to cough up that premium for him and his family. Right now he drives his kid to the ER for that sore throat that his kid has had for a week, what the hell, why not, the ER is FREE.....
Comment: #21
Posted by: Bloom Hilda
Mon Mar 26, 2012 8:51 AM
The fact that you keep acussing me of watching fox news means you must watch more fox news that I do to even know whats on it. As I've said before, I don't watch MSM. I'm not agruing the little details, I'm arguing the overall picture. A bi-partisian congressional comittee already said Obamacare would cost twice as much at least than originally thought. I've talked to healthcare professionals too and they all say it will lead to worse, less, and more expensive care. Socalized medicine has alredy failed in Eurozone.
Comment: #22
Posted by: Chris McCoy
Mon Mar 26, 2012 9:09 AM
Re: Chris McCoy
I give up, you are clueless, the fact that what I just wrote went right over your head as "little details" tells me why people vote the way they do. I don't care where you get your news, Obamacare is going to cost big money, that bi-partisan committee was right, healthcare RIGHT NOW costs big money, people are still going to get healthcare either way, only it will be MANAGED....................I was the longtime CEO of a large acute care hospital, we gave out 6 million a month in bad debt to collections, uninsured, 90% and deductibles the remainder, we collected 7%. overall. guess who pays for that, our insured patients. We have to pay our payroll, equipment, debt service, you name it...Obamacare will spread that cost for everyone who will now have insurance, that means away from YOU if you now have insurance.

I really give up, go read what I recommended and inform yourself, uninformed people giving opinions about Obamacare is like me advising the Pentagon on tank engineering, a complete, dangerous waste of time... the sad thing is uninformed, uncurious, opinionated people get to vote, go listen to your sound bites, marketing spins, focus groups and vote GOP, Bush did such a great job, let's bring him back, Another 8 years of failed policies, wars, and deregulation on Wall street is just what this country needs.
Comment: #23
Posted by: Bloom Hilda
Mon Mar 26, 2012 10:18 AM
Alright, lets get into the details. Section 1233 Pg 425 lines 17-19: Government will instruct and consult living wills and power of attorney. Section 113 Pg 21-22: Mandates a government audit of the books of all employers that self insure in order to discourage self-insurers. Section 122 Pg 29 lines 4-16: Your health care will be rationed. Section 1503 Pg 675-685: Government will control every aspect of residency programs.
I have no doubt that there are some good aspects to Obamacare. After all, its 1017 pages. However, there are tons of government control orders all throughout the bill. You trust government. You think they know whats best for you. You can deal with the pricetag. I respect your opinion. However many people like me are not ok giving government that much control over your body. Many people are not ok with the pricetag. Can you really blame them? I'm not misinformed. I've done plenty of research on this topic. One of us is right, the other is wrong and it will be years before we really find out who. So until that day comes lets just agree to disagree.
Comment: #24
Posted by: Chris McCoy
Mon Mar 26, 2012 1:35 PM
Re: Chris McCoy

It is not going to be perfect and everyone will have criticisms if it passes, most of all me, but the time has come to make a huge change, 46 million people is way too many to be walking around uninsured.

Have a great evening
Comment: #25
Posted by: Bloom Hilda
Mon Mar 26, 2012 2:39 PM
So according to you Broom poor people should vote for the party that throws them some scraps to buy their vote while the politicians, their big money donors, and their public sector union pals live high on the hog off of the backs of hard working taxpayers? Yeah that makes sense and it really working for them. Places like Detroit are real paradises, so they should keep mindlessly pulling the lever for the party that is using them!
Comment: #26
Posted by: Thetruth
Mon Mar 26, 2012 7:33 PM
Re: Thetruth

Yeah, sure truth, that's exactly what i said, I remember saying exactly that,,,,,,,,,,, You give me a headache......
Comment: #27
Posted by: Bloom Hilda
Mon Mar 26, 2012 9:37 PM
Re: Bloom Hilda and McCoy. That's what you have to answer, Chris. Where is your alternative plan? Everybody was sitting around and waiting while millions went uninsured until Obama got his less than perfect plan through, with Repe naysayers kicking and screaming every step of the way.

What were they trying to do to fix the problem? Zippo. They only thing that motivated them to get up out of the deathly silent slime and be heard was the opportunity to shoot it down.

That's the truth, buddy. If you fall-on-your-sword, get-government-off-our-backs Chicken Littles had anything resembling an alternative it would be a different debate. But you don't. Government has to step in when the Titans of profit can't find the will to act.

You're just looking for a way to justify enjoying your wallow in the mud and holding back the advance of a humanity that really has those family values you phony conservatives profess to hold so dear, aren't you? Fess up--like Bloom says, you've got yours, and screw everyone else. Why don't you just admit it? Then at least you claim a little honesty.
Comment: #28
Posted by: Masako
Mon Mar 26, 2012 10:10 PM
I don't know what the solution is to healthcare. I don't work in that field. What I do know is that there is a lot of government control in Obamacare. Hundreds of little things are taken over by beurucrats. I look over at Europe and see government run healthcare failing in big ways. We do not live in a perfect world where everyone can be insured. And what about the people who choose to be uninsured? I was uninsured for 5 years. I wanted to be and no harm came to me. Its a risk to go uninsured, but it should be peoples risk to take.
Comment: #29
Posted by: Chris McCoy
Tue Mar 27, 2012 7:08 AM
Re: Chris McCoy
Chris said:
Its a risk to go uninsured, but it should be peoples risk to take.Its a risk to go uninsured, but it should be peoples risk to take.
Ok, Chris I respect you too, let's look at this. Here comes Chris, he is coming down the street, walking his dog, minding his own business, Mr." I don't need insurance", with a 95 Chevy Malibu plows into Chris. Chris has a head trauma and a C 5-6 spinal fracture. Chris is in ICU for two weeks, he just had spinal surgery to set his fracture, cost $120,00 with the ICU bill, Chris goes to rehab for six months, cost $7,000 a month. Chris has a new electric wheelchair because he is now a quad. with custom hand controls, cost $3700 bucks, Chris needs a wheelchair van with special mechanics, so he can drive using just his hands. Cost $47,000. Without the van Chris can't go to the Dr., buy food, go to PT. Chris goes to PT three times a week, probably forever. Chris needs an electric lift to get from wheelchair to bed, cost $2500. Chris needs a homehealth aid two hours in the morning and at night, for his bath, cooking, dressing, and to put him to bed, also she does light housework. This is forever, cost $12.00 per hour. We didn't discuss the 12 meds he takes every day, his bi-annual admissions, if not more, for kidney infections from his catheter, or his other medical problems. Chris is estimated to need all of this care for about 45 to 55 years. Chris didn't have insurance. Guess who pays? Everyone else. But we have social programs, if Chris was in India or Africa he would have died in the road, or in the dirt floor hospital, sic, that they took him to. If we had Obamacare, Chris would have had insurance and that cost would have been managed. By the way, *Chris* is one of my real patients, he was hit when he was 23, he is now 53. Figure out how much he cost society. Anything can happen to anyone at any time. If you dont have insurance I take cae of you, period. If I get insurance from my employer, I work for those benefits, they are in LIEU of wages, they are not a gift. If you choose not to spend the money that Obamacare would cost you, because you choose to spend that money on something else, then I work for you. This is not socialism, this is basic economics. I want you to pay for your insurance, 23% of my income goes for my benefit package.
Chris said,
there is a lot of government control in Obamacare. Hundreds of little things are taken over by beurucrats.
Yeah, lifes a bitch, isn't it? employee handbooks, human resource directives, IRS, DMV, OSHA, EOC, Hospital Licensing, Medical Board Licensing, regulations, federal guidelines, FDA, CDC, EPA, FAA, remember when chemical fires broke out spontaneously on industrial rivers, Erin Brockavitch was a real story, salmonella in dirty food, Lion King Foods running expired chicken through bleach to change it's color in order to resell, eight year olds losing their hands in meat cutting factories, dirty hospitals with rats, firetrap tenements in ghettos, Drs. that did surgeries that they were not trained for, nurses that were drunk when they drew up your meds, your sister got felt up by her boss, (when she wouldn't sleep with him, he fired her), corrupt police, incompetent dentists, drunk airplane pilots, child molesting schoolteachers, yeah, I hate beaurocrats, they should all go away and leave me alone. But I like living in a civilzed orderly society where there are guidelines for my safety and protection. Don't you?
Comment: #30
Posted by: Bloom Hilda
Tue Mar 27, 2012 10:58 AM
Bloom if that were to happen to me I would not want to be taken to the hospital. Like I said, its my risk to take. I wish there was a way to let hospitials know not to work on me. I believe in heaven. I think I'm going to a better place when I die. I woulden't want to live this life in a wheelchair. I know that not a lot of people think this way, but I am very commited to my faith and to my libertarian values.
Comment: #31
Posted by: Chris McCoy
Tue Mar 27, 2012 11:05 AM
Wow, re-reading my comment it seems a little insensative towards wheelchair people. What I mean is I woulden't want to be revived from a horrible accident at the expense of others. I have no doubt people in wheelchairs can live happy and productive lives.
Comment: #32
Posted by: Chris McCoy
Tue Mar 27, 2012 6:04 PM
Re: Chris McCoy

Thank you Chris, I was hoping you would come back and say thaat, I do have a lot of respect for you. READ, READ, READ, inform yourself. I change everyday, I watch Fox, I listen to everyone, that is the only way you learn. Form your opinions, but make sure they are educated ones based on information, not based on hype.
Comment: #33
Posted by: Bloom Hilda
Wed Mar 28, 2012 6:14 PM
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