Posted by: steve dix
Comment: #1
Mon Jul 14, 2008 2:46 PM
If yu think in terms of the mud slinging that is to come, Senator Obama's vote makes some sense. Don't forget that he sponsored an amendment to remove the immunity for the phone companies, but the amendment was defeated. If I were him, I'd rather hve to explain to people who have supported him why he voted for the bill rather than have to answer ridiculous claims that he is sof on terrorism because he opposed the bill. Don't forget that as President he is not obliged to ignore the Constitution, and one can reasonably hope that he would request legislation to override this bill. Before he can do anything meaningful he has to get elected, and that means he has to move to the center. But center left is a whole lot better than what we have now or what we can expect from a McCain Presidency.
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Posted by: davd w pennington
Comment: #2
Mon Jul 14, 2008 4:23 PM
Come now, folks, Ms. Lokeman, especially: "lawful" means "within the law", and "unlawful" means "in violation of the law". If a bill is passed by Congress and signed into law by the President, actions that fall within its scope CANNOT be unlawful, by definition. Now, Constitutional is another matter, and that can take some time to decide. ¶ For example, Washington, DC, had a LAW under which it would prosecute and fine and/or imprison anyone who possessed a handgun within the city. It took 32 years for a case to come before the Supreme Court, and 9 months for the justices to render the decision: the Law violated the Constitution. Think of the lives that have been lost to criminal action in DC over the past 32 years, where the victims might have survived if they could have "legally" defended themselves. ¶ AND YOU'RE WORRIED ABOUT PRIVACY? ¶ Get a grip, and get a life. ¶ Look at the details: the wiretaps allowed under FISA are on calls that a) are between a US phone and a phone located in a foreign country, and b) one of the two phones is listed to a NAMED suspected terrorist. When all the loud-mouthed politicians finished talking, they voted what they KNEW was right. Remember, this bill could not have become law without Democrat support. ¶ Think it over, then think it over, again. Keep doing it until you understand: the loud-mouth politicians have been pulling your leg for all these years. How long are you going to listen to them, but not pay attention to how they vote on issues? Democrats can't let the Republicans get credit for doing anything right, so they blow a lot of hot air. But, when the decisions have to be made, they can't afford to risk the safety of the US, so, they fund the war, and they pass FISA. Get used to it. ¶ They're going to do the same stuff, but tell you it's OK--in fact they'll heap credit on Democrats for being 'wise' and standing firm against 'uninformed' public opinion--if they get the White House to go with their hold on Congress. Remember this: there's not going to be a troop withdrawal before victory in Iraq and Afghanistan, no matter who wins the elections in November. The Republicans honestly disagree with you about how the country needs to proceed in foreign policy. The Democrats disagree, too, but they're not honest about it, because they will do and say anything to get your vote. Just look at the 9% approval rating, and all the votes you haven't agreed with since 2006. I rest my case.
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Posted by: Dennis
Comment: #3
Sun Jul 13, 2008 10:53 AM
Within the past seven and one-half years, Americans have learned and confirmed more about their Congress than ever before. Congress is corrupt. What we have is a legalized mafia, and every four years, the American people vote to see who is going to be the next "Don".
You don't have to be a blind conservative not to see it, just an ignorant one to deny it.
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