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Stop Those Checks

by Susan Estrich

This is the Republicans' big contribution to our economic recovery: They want to make sure that undocumented immigrants who pay taxes using tax identification numbers don't get a cent of their tax money back in the refunds enacted by Congress. Oh, yes, and they want rich people to get tax refunds.

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Republicans, rejecting all pretense of putting country before party, much less trying to participate in the solution instead of continuing to be the proble ...

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Posted by: Darek
Comment: #1
Fri Jan 30, 2009 3:11 PM

Susan, I'm about to stop reading your columns. I admit, I'm a conservative. But I read your columns because you normally offer an educated opposing argument. I like that... but lately your last few columns seem to have entered wackyville. At the very beginning of this one you complain that Republicans are concerned about undocumented (technically called "illegal") immigrants receiving a tax refund, while, so called "rich" folks will. (How do you define rich exactly... I bet it's someone how makes more than you... search your soul, you are playing a class warfare game that is based upon envy, you should be above that???) Anyway, I view your concern with an illegal receiving a tax refund as more important than a legal person receiving a refund, well, wacky. Come on... I'll keep reading for a while, but I'm beginning to classify your opinions as just far left garbage. Please consider more reasoned arguments that reflect the thoughts of a more-educated, less emotional person.

Posted by: MYAKKA54
Comment: #2
Fri Jan 30, 2009 3:14 PM

Re: trina Trina you are right on. Considering you and I are the only ones who posted comments show me how popular she is. Its funny how Liberals are angry that Republicans aren't falling in line. Gee I remember that Dems did the same for the last 8 years. They voted along party lines all the time. I now see what whiners and cry babies they are. If they can't see the failure of this stimulus then their brains are Obamaized. Ms Estrich is a joke.

Posted by: Darek
Comment: #3
Fri Jan 30, 2009 3:18 PM

I just noticed another post concerning the community reinvestment act. That was started in 1978 by Carter, both Clinton and Bush to my understanding, strengthen it. CRA was a complete mistake, as it basically forced banks to make loans to folks who could not pay it back. Plenty of blame to go around, but the real problem was started by Carter. Somebody in Congress should have identified the problem and fixed it.

Posted by: Darek
Comment: #4
Fri Jan 30, 2009 3:22 PM

Right now the Republicans are doing the right thing. Vote 100% against this bill. The ONLY reason Obama wants Republicans support to to provide cover when it fails to improve the economy (which it will). Right now the government should be cutting services, etc, just like everyone else, and cut taxes. This bill is all about stimulating the size of government, not the US as a whole.

Posted by: gordon
Comment: #5
Fri Jan 30, 2009 4:50 PM

Ms. Estrich: Regarding your column on the Holocaust. Why would any Muslim admit to the fact that there was a Holucaust, when they do not believe that a Jewish State should have the right to exist.

Posted by: trina
Comment: #6
Fri Jan 30, 2009 6:13 AM

what an idiot, republicans do not want a stimlius bill that is giving 7.7 billion for federal employees cars, 335 billion to STD research, 2.4 billion to carbon capture project, 50 million to the endowment of the arts, thousands to california city for a dog park. Thank you Repubicans, do you yourself know what is in this so called stimilus bill, or is it just that it is from Obama, so its ok, open your eyes, this stuff will not stimulate anything, but maybe the dogs in california. Oh and something else you need to do your research on, Bill Clinton is the one that caused this mess we are in, with the reinvestment act, forcing banks to give thousands of loans to people who could not afford them and when that wasn't good enough he forced them to give them more. then when all those people could not pay for them the housing bubble busted, People need to quit listening to people like you and do there own research, but they will soon find out, whan Obama puts us in even more trouble, Oh so sad!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: effinayright
Comment: #7
Fri Jan 30, 2009 8:57 PM

Ms. Estrich: illegal immigrants may have a tx ID number, but it FRACKING OBVIOUS that is is BOGUS, and probably stolen from a US citizen. Jesus, what stupidity!!! JESUS! What nerve you have to believe that ILLEGALS have any rights comparable to law-abiding US citizens.

Posted by: Jeff Stone
Comment: #8
Fri Jan 30, 2009 9:21 PM

"Undocumented" immigrants is a nice way of saying illegal! Are you actually more concerned with the "rights" of illegal immigrants as opposed to legal tax paying Americans who happen to legally work and make money? Is that now "a bad thing" in America? Are you actually saying that? I thought we were all taught that in America, if you work hard, you can make something of yourself, AND yes, earn a lot of money. Is that now something to be ashamed of? Come on Susan, every once in a while I see you on TV, and you seem like a nice person, but what are you smoking these days? You're starting to sound like Obama with his concern about who in America makes a profit. His thinking along with what you just wrote is scary stuff. Please start offering up something more useful to read.

Posted by: jockeyshifter63
Comment: #9
Mon Feb 2, 2009 3:13 PM

When you are an illegal and break the law you are not due anything except a ride back to the border. I seriously doubt any of the people actually paid Federal income tax anyway. Any refund amounts to more welfare. Same as it does with the 40% of legal citizens who do not pay Fed taxes either.

Posted by: Jeff H
Comment: #10
Mon Feb 2, 2009 3:46 AM

Flat tax, first 50k untaxed for families, 30k for individuals, no deductions, no forms, no IRS. Not socialism, just fair. Jeff

Posted by: p james
Comment: #11
Sat Jan 31, 2009 10:29 AM

"you know", you are, "you know" almost as dumb as carolyn kennedy. "you know" who the hell do you think you are suggesting she get the senators seat in new york...do you know how many qualified people have been waiting in line...just like your statment "you know" about giving illegals monies from u. s. government...why don't you move to mexico for your a lousy reporter for our country "you know" i guess you know by now that "you know" is what stupid kennedy used 30 times in two minutes...caroline kennedy doesn't inspire me...and neither does ted kennedy, that idiot who lets a women be submerged in a car overnite...what a coward...ted kennedy getting out of the senate will be a blessing...as to obama, what a dud....a president he will never be...trying to make this country go socialist is hohorrible...i liked the way we have lived for 200 years...he wants to take the middle class money and give to the poor...well let me tell you something, i worked for my dough and obama can kiss my you know what...you saw the stimulus bill..what a laugh..it was a pork barrel spending bill...what a idiot..he won't last long....

Posted by: p james
Comment: #12
Sat Jan 31, 2009 10:41 AM

boy oh boy, not only are you an idiot susan but so is carline kennedy...who the heck does she think she is that she can get a senators job in New York...her name doesn't mean nothing to me...her and her uncle Ted kennedy are a couple of goof ball...leaving that woman in a surmerged car overnite makes him a real coward...as to carline kennedy she can't even talk straight. i heard her use the term "YOU KNOW" 30 times in two minutes and you want her representing we the people...As to you, get your hair fixed...Christ you should be able to afdford it...That chicken----- grim of yours makes me sick...Who are you to tell us to give illegals money they surely don't deserve...You and obama who is also a nut will not last too long...They call that stimulous package good...they must be out of their minds...it nothing more than a pork-barrel spending by the democrats...As to pelosi (i hope i spelled her name wrong) my god she is something else...Some of her proposals are so out of line....she sounds dumber than both you and Carline Kennedy. You democrats arte going down so fast with your crazy ideas and I can't wait to see how long you will stay in office...What a bunch of losers and winers...Don't forget to get your hair set it looks like hell.

Posted by: Joe
Comment: #13
Sat Jan 31, 2009 5:34 AM

Susan, let's look at the word bipartisan. It means give and take from both sides. Your definition would have us believe that the Republicans, who had no say in this plan, should just blindly accept it, without questioning it's content (which was crafted exclusively by Pelosi and her cronies). Bipartisanship only works if BOTH sides come to the table and agree to work together. This plan is nothing more than the democrats saying, "we won, tough luck." They never reached out to work on a bipartisan plan. For you to say "something is better than nothing" is irresponsible. 80% of this plan, over $700,000,000,000, has NOTHING to do with stimulating the economy. Responsible, truly bipartisan Senators and Congress people will vote against this plan.

Posted by: Kathaleen McCausland
Comment: #14
Sat Jan 31, 2009 6:24 AM

This year, taxpayers will receive an Economic Stimulus Payment. This is a very exciting new program that I will explain using the Q and A format: "Q. What is an Economic Stimulus Payment? "A. It is money that the federal government will send to taxpayers. "Q. Where will the government get this money? "A. From taxpayers. "Q. So the government is giving me back my own money? "A. No, they are borrowing it from China . You children are expected to repay the Chinese. "Q. What is the purpose of this payment? "A. The plan is that you will use the money to purchase a high-de finition TV set, thus stimulating the economy. "Q. But isn't that stimulating the economy of China ? "A. Shut up." Below is some helpful advice on how to best help the US economy by spending your stimulus check wisely: If you spend that money at Wal-Mart, all the money will go to China . If you spend it on gasoline it will go to Hugo Chavez, the Arabs and Al Queda If you purchase a computer it will go to Taiwan . If you purchase fruit and vegetables it will go to Mexico , Honduras , andGuatemala (unless you buy organic). ; If you buy a car it will go to Japan and Korea . If you purchase prescription drugs it will go to India ; If you purchase heroin it will go to the Taliban in Afghanistan If you give it to a charitable cause, it will go to Nigeria . And none of it will help the American economy . We need to keep that money here in America . You can keep the money in America by spending it at yard sales, going to a baseball game, or spend it on prostitutes, beer (domestic ONLY), or tattoos, since those are the only businesses still in the US.

Posted by: Juanito Verde
Comment: #15
Sat Jan 31, 2009 7:52 AM

Susan, I too have enjoyed some of what you have said in the past. I was particularly heartened by your marvelous and compassionate tribute to Tony Snow at his passing, but with this rant, methinks you would be offended if we didn't give stimulus checks to Guantameno detainees. Get real, Sis!

Posted by: WR Burton
Comment: #16
Sat Jan 31, 2009 7:54 AM

Dear Susan, There is far more wrong with this package than the payments to illegal aliens.... Who would likely get back MORE than they paid in. This is nothing short of a Trojan Horse . And you know it. There is a small fraction of immediate stimulus. The rest is a truck load of typical democrat, big government, social engineering, earmarked, special interest garbage. You guys should just be honest and send a platinum credit card to every child under 18 in America with a $50,000 NEGATIVE balance. I'm sure they'll be excited. At least until the bills start showing up in their paychecks when they become adults.

Posted by: Constitutionalist
Comment: #17
Sat Jan 31, 2009 8:35 AM

Undocumented is the pc term for ILLEGAL. That means they don't belong here. They deserve nothing from this government. No tax rebates, no health insurance, no education or food stamps or anything. They need to be rounded up and deported. If the home country is not willing to pay the cost of having thieir citizens returned then that country would forefit ALL U.S. aid forever. That would help our economy without the Dem hated tax cuts. Anchor babies should not be citizens either.

Posted by: Bill Taylor
Comment: #18
Sun Feb 1, 2009 8:13 AM

Illegal immigrants should not get a tax refund. What don't you understand about illegal immigrants except that you might not have a maid and cook. The democrats just want to buy future votes. What a pork bill and of course liberal support it because it takes someone else's money and distributes it. Spread the wealth. We will recovery because of free enterprise. Not socialist activism.

Posted by: Lynn
Comment: #19
Tue Feb 3, 2009 10:30 AM

We could pay for the illegals' refund by collecting the back taxes owed by members of Congress and nominees of Obama. This will only work if they pay the penalty, as well, like the rest of us would do. Just a thought for this administration of care, concern, equality and integrity.

Posted by: poppy
Comment: #20
Tue Feb 3, 2009 2:06 PM

You want Bipartisanship?? If you are against illegal immigration you are a racist - against gay marriage you are a homophobe - against the awful "rap" world you are a racist - against payments to illegals are an insensitive racist - exactly where is the bipartisanship in that Ms. Lefty??

Posted by: Troy
Comment: #21
Wed Feb 4, 2009 6:19 AM

This sort of article demonstrates the total lack of understanding the press has about the economy. The author actually BELIEVES, truly believes, that de-regualtion was the cause of the problems. She probably believe we have a "free market". The ignorance is amazing. The housing bubble was CAUSED by government intervention with the CRA. The gov't had no business telling banks to ignore historical tried and true lending practices and screening processes. Lo and behold years later, look at where we are. How can ANYONE believe we have a free market when the Federal Reserve exists as an entity? Which of these says "free market"? Social Insecurity, Medicare, Medicaid, welfare, federal reserve, etc. etc.etc. I love seeing the mantra about the tax cuts for the rich. never mind that federal coffers are at RECORD levels, that the rich AFTER The tax cuts paid the highest percentage of taxes in US history, oh no. Don't let facts and numbers get in the way of class warfare waged by the left. The problem is, Ms. Estrich, you NEED the rich, aka the wealth generators. Look at NY. Wall Street bonuses are way down, and NY now faces a huge tax shortage. California has been hemorrhaging millionaires because of punitive tax laws, and now has no tax base is facing massive shortages. Nice, huh? But hey, class warfare sounds good on paper. Tell me how to give a tax cut to a person who pays no taxes. Why did the republicans lose the elections? Because they governed using liberal values. Make it clear, neocon=liberal. Big gov't, massive intrusion. Bush expanded the gov't and spent more than any president in history. That is NOT conservative rule, it's liberal. Republicans lost the elections because their base has seen the fact that they have not limited gov't size or intervention at all, quite the opposite with the Farm Bill, the Medicare drug plan, military expansion, etc. Please stop perusing DailyKOS and thinking that the stuff professed there is true carte blanche. Now, I need to let my local paper know that it has no business including your editorials as there is a basic lack of fundamental principles. Now go chat it up with Maureen Dowd. You 2 would get along fabulously.

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