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I suggest your premis about our "involvement" in Iraq is flawed, perhaps even your premis about war in general. a casual look at war in history might suggest that NO ONE knows how to fight a war... battles, yes, but you never know how a war is going to go. I agree with what you imply, but donot come right out and say: we need to get out of Iraq as soon as possible! I think you and I part on how that should have been done and how it should be done now. At this juncture at least one "triangle" should be rubble with no piece larger than a small plumb; ALL of the radical emams should have long since been executed, along with ALL of their radical followers; ALL of the radical Islamic (read "modern day Nazi") training institutions and their leaders should be destroyed and the countries oil industry should be the only thing we should bother to take control of so that the people of Irac might benefit from the fabulous wealth that will surely be lavished on the crooked government officials that will result from the foolish way we have fought this war thus far. Steve, I would like to see you research the world's dealings with Islam over these past many thousands of years and conclude for us what the only effective way of dealing with these savage animals has been. You could start with Thomas Jefferson's solution to the Islamic pirates who were ravaging our naval vessels and holding their crews for ransom in the Medeterranian. I think his instructions to the force he sent over there was simple and applicable today: "Kill them!" It seems to me that our situation is very much like someone looking us straight in the face and saying "I'm going to cut your head off with this sword I have in my grip!", to which we IMMEDIATELY respond with blast to their face from our trusty .45 ACP. THEN we would not be having a silly public debate about how long we should stand in the street and argue with these murderous scum! As you might suspect, I do not hold to the coward's or the fool's slogan I hear too much these days: "War is never the answer!" The only error or "sin" of this present war in Iraq is that of our cowardly leadership not having the courage to use the might and power this nation possesses against an "evil" force that promises (not threatens) to not rest until they have rid the world of the "infidels." That's you and me, Steve!