Ma'am; this is like a lesson in morality, more or less... Just like the Israeli attack on Gaza is a lesson in morality... Morality is community... There is no way around the definition because that is the way it has always been... We do not have to bend our justifications into a pretzel to defend our actions... Just say blood is thicker than water, and even if you do not want to break international law in the hope that it may benefit your community, that you must look for the opportunity... You will run up against those who think those Muslims are human beings... Where is the human community??? Everyone has to live some where, and humanity does has no zip code... So forget humanity... Why should you do anything for humanity ??? What has humanity ever done for you??? We justify injustice because we can... Those tortured can barely keep body and soul together... What can they justify??? We know that people are supposed to be found guilty before they are punished, but that is only a technicality, since it  seems self  evident that if a whole people hates you, they cannot all be innocent... And what if they were found guilty??? Then they could only be locked away because cruel and unusual punishment is illegal... What kind of punishment is not cruel??? Those people who care about suffering humanity are always going to worry about endangered species and old growth forests, and the environment, and justice... In so many words, all you have to worry about is baggy pants librals who are powerless for lack of money and political connections... Look at Mr. Obama...Do you think he is going to kill his chance to torture... Convicting anyone guilty of torture is already off the table... This is a divided society, so everyone is playing for the middle... Convince the middle that torture is okay, and they will support it... They will not volunteer for it... It is not their turn...It is a simple fact of reality that we will accept for others any pain or indignity for any length of time even if we will not ourselves endure it for a moment... That is what makes us Gerrreat... All that hockey of do unto others is for Christians... Turning the other cheek is for librals... We are Americans, and only if their guns are actually at our heads will we have to prove we are human beings, and not some vicious species of  animal... No chance of that happening... So forget them... And don't minimize the torture... I wouldn't do it....If it is worth doing it is worth doing with pride... And it is good for them to know what their lives are worth to us so they will not fear to throw them away as suicide bombers.... But it is still a terrible crime, and such crimes should be defended with audacity and pride... Don't defend it...Demand it... Curse as unpatriotic all who will not torture.... If you do not love this land enough to become an international criminal in the name of America you are not an American.. Spare no purple... Do not minimize the act...Advertize it... Aggrandize it... Economize it...Torture for the masses!!! Form your line here!!!...Charge people enough, and they will kill to get it... Thank you very much... Sweeney