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Sir;...Why do you use some phrase like Power Elite? You must understand that the whole society is hooked on credit. There is no exchange of positive values is this society. It is all one big IOU. That is what a society that lives on credit is. The government advances money in this case and before, and it is loaned at interest. While this supports a class of people which does nothing of value, it also ends up changing the whole nature of the society. Look at it like this: If your society lived within itself, as a system, the rich would soon have all, and that would be the end of it. This happened in Anglo Saxon England, and happened again among the Normans, and the process that made the nobles all powerful ended with the King absolute ruler of the church and state. Just as with a game of cards, a slight inequality can work into one winning hand. Property rights does the same in this land, making civil rights meaningless, property meaningful, and more property more meaningful yet. People want property as the true key to rights. If money were of a fixed limit it would soon find a natual balance to property since people would need both, and one would have to free property to have money, or spend money to have property it would be a simple exchange of positive values. If the money can be manipulated, as it has been since paper began to replace gold, it means anyone selling property is selling a real vaue for a promise that may be kept, or not. Paper is not a fixed value that cannot be changed. Since property is taxed but little it is a fixed value and people will try to liive on and keep their property. If people cannot be levered off their property with a promise, then a bigger promise must be made, and people in their turn must use their promise while it holds some promise to exchange for other values. When the money is manipulated, given to one class, used to dispossess another for promises, then the money, which might support an exchange of equal values ends up supporting a drain of wealth from one class to another.... This was a huge country with great industry and a natural market and defense. Loaned money has made slaves of the vast majority of the country and at the same time put the bulk of property in few hands. Loan to a boss, and he must drive the harder for profit. Loan to the workers and they must drive themselves harder to pay the interest. If people are not paid their due they survive on paying interest. If profit demands that they be fired, they do not pay their interest. If they lose credit, they do not buy. What bills are all those being bankrupted and forclosed upon paying? The wealth is sucked out of the society. They might be choking on it, like a snake swallowingits tail; but adding liquidity will only help the rich to swallow more that cannot be digested since the wealth is no just holdoing property, but in exchanging property, which makes many rich who never hit a lick... Is there something; some piece of property owned free and clear? The whole of society has a lien on it, and often, to one over seas. So you can liken this society to a house of cards. Perhaps a house of credit cards. If it were a house, it would be a nest of termites holding hands. Worse than a home, it is an attractive nuisance. Liquidity is not a goal in itself, and has only been a goal for a single class, since it allowed all with more property to leverage those wiith less out of it. It has not rased wages, and instead robbed value from wages since it changed the relations between labor and money as commodities. In this, Mccain and the government should have resisted, and should yet resist. Credit is not making America, but unmaking America...Again, what interest is doing now, taxes should have done all the time, and this is to force it on the market, or force people to make it profitable. If taxes forced prices of property down, it would force labor prices up. Instead, no taxes has forced the value of property up to the point where it could not support the load of interest, and then down it comes to its natural low.... Liquidity is not the solution, but the problem We will go through that like grass through a goose, and then be worse off too...Thanks...Sweeney
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Posted by: James A, Sweeney
Fri Oct 3, 2008 8:09 AM
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Middle American Radicals, ey? Try infantile, undereducated, over-nourished, armchair TV-hero wannabes who can throw temper tantrums and get away with it because they have lived their entire their lives sitting atop the pile of benefits of this country's long history of lucky largesse has amassed. You bet they are “agents of intolerance.” And they are going the way of the dinosaur. What has happened now is that with our credit gone, the last vestige of that largesse, their fantasy life has melted away. .................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................
And make no mistake about it, Buchanan. Your buddies want immigrants here more than anybody else, simply and quite unpatriotically because they provide the means to make an easy buck. There are plenty of liberals who would like to stop the free flow of immigrants across our borders, just as every other country in the world does with their own borders. The problem is the political power of the businesses who profit from, and can't survive in their current form in the absence of, that very phenomenon. ..................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................
The pile of all that easy money has been pissed away, Buchanan. Your conservative friends have done more than any other group in this country to get us here. And I've got news for you: The mentality you would extol as righteously indignant and so entitled to seize the reins of power from the “power elite” is exactly the kind of disenfranchised, embittered soul that allowed Hitler to rise to power in an economically broken Weimer Republic, promising revenge against all the outsiders who had stolen Germany's wealth. ..................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................
There is no more cushion for this crap, Buchanan. No more time for fantasy talk. The U.S. can't get away any more with passionate debates about creationism vs. evolution. And we can't afford any more amateurs in the White House who don't know what they are doing. The world is laughing at us, Buchanan. They're lining up and getting ready to steal our toys because they can see we're making ourselves too stupid to put up any resistance.
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Posted by: Masako
Fri Oct 3, 2008 10:02 PM
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Re: Masako; Sir,... As much as I agree with you, and I do, now, more than ever, we are going to have to learn to make common cause with people who in all good faith consider themselves conservative. Hell, I consider myself a conservative because this country was born in revolution, and revolutionary ideas are at our core. We cannot in this day put forward the idea that all men are equal and entitled to life, liberty and happiness and not be revolutionary. But no revolutionary can hope for success unless the people are so pressed they will abandon old differences for a chance at liberty. I tend to look at liberals as more kind, and sympathetic, well meaning, and a little simple. Liberal politicians can be so easily manipulated because every politician is playing the percentages, trying to not satisfy any more of the population than they have to....We have to do better than what we have. We cannot divide and rule. We have to have a conversation with all the people, and now is the time because there has never been a time in America so ripe for change. Now; I can see the future as through a glass and darkly to be sure, but it is there. This money given away against the will of the people will not keep us from depression. It will keep the government from helping the people. So we are going to have to cooperate with each other, and leave the government out, and govern ourselves, and with justice. We need to find the respect for each other that is essential in any relationship. We need to find the trust. We will never build a just society without the trouble taken to reach an understanding on the nature of rights, all rights, including the privilage of property. This so called right divides us, and make people unequal. Just as bad is the thought that a mere majority can deprive a person of their civil rights. And I believe this is false because society needs a positive burden of proof to deny any rights, -since all societies are a defense of rigths, and should not set another purpose before their first purpose. Those who think to destroy rights destroy society. Just as destructive of society are those who sell our capital cheap abroad, and who expoet jobs and import debt. If capital is making us a single society we need a single solution to our common problem. If we will be America, we must ask why there is so much international pressure for our government to fund our banks. If our finanacial institutions have went about the world making deals that bind us all, that our government will have to enforce upon us, then that is treason. It is the job of the whole people through the medium of their government to make treaties, and conduct negotiations. For our rich to bend us over a barrel for European powers, or China, or Arabia when it is the rich who have made the bargains now going bad -is bull. How much of America does England own? Plenty if you ask them. None if you ask me, because the country is ours, and when you sell it under duress it is owned but a short while and then it returns to the common wealth. If people want to keep property they must learn to pay taxes, which is a sacrifice like all the sacrifices we all make to belong to any group. If you think you can own America while evading all expense for its upkeep, and defense, then I think you are wrong. It is too bad the Chinese think they own America. In fact, we could send them some financiers; but the only way they are getting this place is over my dead body. I am certain the rich would be happy with that, but we should not all be sad. So, if you see my point it is that among Americans there are a lot of valid points. With the government and the rich it is all ideology, and ideas do not change, and do not live, and do not adapt. We need to drop ideas, and look only for what works, and what makes governments work too. Our form of government divides us. We need to learn to undo the damage government has done. We need to learn to communicate with our friends and neighbors. We need to find common ground. Thanks....Sweeney
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Posted by: James A, Sweeney
Sat Oct 4, 2008 8:45 PM
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Sir; if that is the correct address... I saw you on the McLaughlin Group, and I have to ask what planet you are from? I keep waiting for the antenni to shoot up frrom your numb skull. I can see it, with your gonads thrown on the scale, but other wise, Mrs. Palin lost that debate. Sure she made the populist appeal. And she proved she could talk like every other uneducated person in the country, but what is her excuse? She graduated from some where. Where? What's a matta U? She is a joke: Ned Flanders in drag for VP. And if she could by golly and Joe sixpack herself to washington she might just get there. But we cannot afford more stupid people in positions of authority. I don't care if she has every ideal in the Bible. Ideas are ruining this place. Things like capitalism are supposed to work as an ideal, and the fact that it does not work in reality does not seem to phase people at all. It should work so it must work even if it don't work. Same with republican government, and christianity. They are both great ideas fallen flat, but if you are hooked on the idea you can't wait for more even if it kills you. What nonsense. No one is half as stupid as the republicans need them to be to vote for Mccain/Palain. Get real, for God's sake, before you slip into another dimension....Thanks...Sweeney
Comment: #4
Posted by: James A, Sweeney
Sun Oct 5, 2008 4:33 PM
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