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Abortion Doublespeak Part of Pattern

by David Limbaugh

With due respect to the millions who adore President Barack Obama, I just don't understand what causes people to hear only his lofty rhetoric and appeals for unity while turning a deaf ear to his polarizing language and actions, for example, on the subject of abortion.

In his book "The Audacity of Hope," he seemed determined to address every issue from the perspective of achieving some kind of common ground. We'll give a little bit of this to liberals and a little bit of that ...

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Posted by: Pericles
Comment: #1
Thu May 21, 2009 5:59 AM

Re: James A, Sweeney Hello James Sweeny. I agree with you that those who trust Limbaughs (both brothers) are being taken for chumps by the brothers Limbaugh. Trusting the brothers involves giving up any attempt at reasoning. Despite your well reasoned statements about Christians with respect to slavery I disagree somewhat with your conclusions. It's true that many Christians are slaves to those who claim to be imposing God's will on them. It's also true that many Christians are extremely enlightened people who go in for the best of recieved Christian wisdom. One can't seperate Christianity from some of the finest thought that what Western Civilization has given us. Chiristianity, like other big ideas, is a force for great good and, at the same time, has been a force for evil. I recomend going for the finest ideas Christianity has to offer while not being blind to Christianity's checkered history.

Posted by: James A, Sweeney
Comment: #2
Thu May 21, 2009 7:53 PM

Re: Pericles;...Sir...government ought to be the place where rational people meet to consider the future and plan to survive it....How much we rely on faith, in economics, in flood control, in medicine, in education is criminal...We go to war in the presumption that God is on our side against a people much more trusting in God and devout than ourselves... What sort of nonsense has gripped us when we presume our morality only applies to us, and that Muslims need not expect ethical imprisonment??? I read philosophy, and history and about every other thing I can get a hold of, and I must disagree... There are good people everywhere, but religions co-opt morality which no society can live without....And the highest morality is liberty, which again, no society can live without, and all sooner or later die without...It is only free people who can be truly good, and only good people who can be free...Those people of faith who hope to use the excuse of the unborn to curb all the liberties left to this oppressed people when they will not lift a finger for the great mass of the living are criminals in my book, and traitors...If they do not accept liberty and justice for all they belong on their own... Let them have their own space, and let them govern themselves...Such people are not fit to govern others... They are guided by irrationality, and cannot offer rationality to humanity...They are living like the dead, in the past, and they want us to die with them...I refuse...I want this society to live...Thanks...Sweeney

Posted by: Natasha
Comment: #3
Tue May 19, 2009 2:48 PM

Just like the big rhinoceros Rush!

Posted by: Pericles
Comment: #4
Tue May 19, 2009 7:20 AM

From the article: "Obama won't talk straight about the horrors of abortion" I haven't heard Barbara or Laura Bush talk about those horrors either and both are pro-choice. Given that Mr. Limbaugh takes an extremely dishonest approach to these, and many other, matters it's unlikely that he holds Republicans to the same standards that he applies to Obama. Mr. Limbaugh should be ashamed of himself for accusing Obama of using "polarizing language". Mr. Limbaugh and his ilk are obsessed with polarizing language. It seems to be the only sort of language he's capable of using. It's sad that there are those who are silly enough to trust Limbaugh's ideas.

Posted by: Paul M. Petkovsek
Comment: #5
Wed May 20, 2009 2:49 AM

Re: Pericles Well said, Pericles. I remember when abortion in this country was not legal. Those who could afford to go out of the country could get a safe procedure done. There were plenty of horror stories about illegal abortions and the results of unsanitary conditions, crude instruments, and inept practitioners on the bodies of women. The bottom line is that the decision is, and rightfully should be, made by the woman.

Posted by: James A, Sweeney
Comment: #6
Wed May 20, 2009 7:40 PM

Sir;...I would like to offer a little piece of common ground for the American Public: Some tasks are not the proper function of government... When government cannot manage the tasks it should perform, it has no business doing what no government should do...Does the government defend the rights of living, breathing people??? If not, why is it making an issue of people not legally people...Is there consent upon whether the unborn and ill conceived are citizens???If not; the government has no business denying the rights of the living for the unborn...Those people who think the government exists to be turned against ones fellow citizens, to deprive them of rights, and liberty, and property are dead wrong... I offer them common ground...Make the moral argument if you have one, but do not expect me to join in depriving anyone of rights... We are not free, and we are not free enough, and this abortion issue is a play for our freedoms by a group, the churches which have never supported any rights but their own...I deny freedom of religion...I deny their right to be free of taxation, and their right to attack all rights for their own benefit... They are in the wrong, and should reform their ways...They should consider that every penny they take from charity, and from the support of those women in need is a cause of needless abortion... What may always be a sin may not necessarily be a crime... The difference is an injured party and the consent of the governed to the laws by which they will be governed... Democracies are made out of consent... No consent means no democracy, and that means no justice or liberty... It is the want of democracy that accounts for abortions more than any law or right... With democracy, children are a blessing... Without democracy, children are often a curse...Support democracy as the highest virtue and the father of morality, and you will find little poverty, little excessive wealth, and no abortions... Thanks...Sweeney

Posted by: James A, Sweeney
Comment: #7
Wed May 20, 2009 7:55 PM

Re: Pericles;... Those people are not just silly, but trusting, and because they have given up their critical judgement for trust in earthly authority for the promise of eternal reward, they are unfitted for democracy... They are bribed... They are fooled... They hold our freedoms and rights in contempt, and they should withdraw from the process, and govern themselves and their own... We do not need them to have a good and moral country, but no country made up of slaves is ever moral...Ultimately Christians give up freedom for a certain spiritual community, and that makes them slaves... That is the meaning of the word... -Ian as a suffix means the property of the person whose name precedes... Christians are slaves of Christ.. Fine, but to say they are slaves of Christ, and in the next breath to claim to be free is a bald faced lie... This country will only succeed, and be able to defend itself from enemies within and without if we are all honest about the character of free citizens... We are not here to offend each other and attack rights...If we are a nation, as a form of community, then like every community we will exist to defend the rights of our members...Nothing more or less is needed but the undivided effort of all people to this common goal...If you seek to belong to this country, and secretly hate our rights and freedom, and seek to pervert the democracy and turn our rights against our rights then you are an enemy... Where then is common ground that is not killing field??? Let the believers run their own affaris, and tell them to keep out of the business of this nation... Thanks...Sweeney

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