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Dear Margo: I'm a 34-year-old wife and mother, with no problem having friends or family casually touch me during conversation. I am normally open to friendly hugs. However, my husband has two friends who insist on touching me, and for some reason they trip my creepy-alarm.

These guys are single, never-married brothers (50 and 52) who live together. They visit at least weekly. If I am cooking, for example, one of them will come up behind me and put his hands on my neck or shoulders. They will insist on a hug even when I back away. Obviously, they have no concept of personal boundaries and do not pick up on body language. I have drawn back and even said, "Please stop." I may not be the smartest person in the world, but if somebody became rigid every time I touched or hugged them, or told me to quit when I put my hands on them, I would get the message.

My husband is not good with confrontation at all. To top it off, I spoke to my sister-in-law about this, and she said that a few years ago her husband had to speak to them about the same issue because these guys felt free to pat her bottom and such. She said other people in the family have the same issue with these guys being touchy-feely. Do you have any sarcastic, funny or even nice-but-firm comments I could try? — Tired of Feeling Trapped

Dear Tired: Sarcastic or funny will not work with this pair. These bachelor brothers sound like two impervious creeps trying to cop a feel. The confirmation from your s-i-l should tell you your instincts are correct. Because the roaming-hands duo comes over often (and because your husband is clearly not up to making the announcement), tell them the next time that just like (name of s-i-l), you must request that they keep their hands to themselves because you do not appreciate the physical contact they initiate.

You need not be hostage to people who don't have very good sense. Go as far as necessary to make yourself understood — including slapping their hands or slithering out of their grip and saying, "I am not kidding." — Margo, defensively

On the Fence About Religion

Dear Margo: I'm curious what you think of people who go to church but are not true believers. I recently had a child and would like to join a church for the community, moral messages and music. I grew up going and got a lot from it. Exploration throughout my 20s made me realize I didn't believe what was being taught. I tried hard to accept the doctrines, but I truthfully think I never will. Is it deceptive to start attending again? — Baffled

Dear Baff: I think it's fine to go to church (or a temple) without accepting all their dicta. I would guess many people of every denomination have a range of questions or quibbles about some of the tenets, yet they go for the reasons you cite: community, moral messages and the music. Religious services offer peaceful surroundings and encourage thoughtfulness, if not spirituality. By all means, send your child, when the time comes, to the Sunday school of a church you find most in tune with what you do believe. When your child grows up, he or she may follow in your footsteps of nonbelief, but at least they will have had the chance to be a part of a religious group. Just as no person is entirely without flaws, one cannot expect any religion to be 100 percent in concert with one's own thoughts. And you might want to explore Humanist congregations, Quaker meetings and Unitarian gatherings. — Margo, spiritually

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For Baffled who wants to bring their child to church and Sunday school even though they don't believe in the religion. I want to let them know they are not alone. I am not a believer and I do not consider myself a christian. However, I love, love, LOVE christian music. It sounds contradictory even to me. I used to be embarrassed to admit it. It sounds almost like a hetero-sexual man who loves woman's clothing. But, I'm 46 now. It's the truth of my character and no one is hurt by it. Just sign me as the agnostic with a huge christian music collection.
Comment: #1
Posted by: Irene Hollimon
Sat Feb 20, 2010 6:02 AM
I don't see anything wrong with attending church and sending your child to Sunday school if you enjoy any part of it and are open to the experience. Besides learning moral lessons, the experience teaches information that is part of the cultural history of human beings. If you've ever watched a service on church TV, you see that people "come to Christ" after they have been church members for years. All religions have contradictions. The only thing I would suggest is that you not go to a church whose doctrines you find offensive or one that teaches that only you, because you are a member, can go to heaven and all others are damned, and therefore, beneath contempt. I am Jewish and I love a lot of Christian music, too.
Comment: #2
Posted by: BB
Sat Feb 20, 2010 7:26 AM
Dear tired,
Look them straight in the eye, smile your sweetest smile and in a soft and pleasant tone say this:
I don't really *want* to break your fingers, but if you touch me again, I'll just HAVE to.
Smile again and be prepared to at least try to break a finger if they touch you again.
I'm sure they'll snatch their digits away before you can actually do it, and they'll stop.
Believe me.
Comment: #3
Posted by: moon
Sat Feb 20, 2010 9:59 AM
Oh, if they get all offended/hurt/whiny, just point out that you've tried polite with them and that didn't work.
Comment: #4
Posted by: moon
Sat Feb 20, 2010 10:00 AM
To Baffled--Please consider attending a Unitarian Universalist Church. You'll find the moral messages, community, and music you're looking for, with no expectations as to what you must or should believe.
Comment: #5
Posted by: Calico Rose
Sat Feb 20, 2010 10:25 AM
Concerning the two creeps that can't keep their paws to themselves....if they make a move toward her the lady needs to warn them that should they touch her she will file charges against them for physical assault. She has her s-i-l to back her up that the creeps have done it before and it is not a one time occurrance. If she thinks it will cause hubby to have a fit, she should tell him before they show up what she intends to do. As Margo pointed out, the lady needs to be direct, her message crystal clear.
Comment: #6
Posted by: LA-DEE-DA
Sat Feb 20, 2010 2:54 PM
Re: LW1, I say POO on smiling and warning the creepy brothers any more. Her husband needs to GROW A PAIR! Have the sis-in-law and her hubby over to visit when the Bros. Creep are not present, and have a talk with hubby along with this couple as to how a man protects his mate. For one, he could tell them not to show up without invitation, and let his wife know what night so she can have a friend in to watch her back while cooking!
Option #2 would be for Wife to take child/children and leave the house for the evening if the Bros. Creep show up. No way would I be cooking for the benefit of these 2.
#3 She could keep a spray can of PAM by her side with the lid off, and if one of them surprised her, SPRAY him in the eyes with it. It's just oil and propellant so it's not like to blind him permanently, but he WOULD get the idea then!
Comment: #7
Posted by: Bonnie
Sat Feb 20, 2010 3:44 PM
No, you should not attend a church that you don't agree with. Pray about it. Anyone who is serious about his religion should think that it is the right one. Otherwise, why would he or she be involved in it? Christians are admonished: "Make sure of all things; hold fast to what is fine." (1 Thessalonians 5:21) A person should make sure that his beliefs can be supported by the Scriptures, for there is only one true faith. Ephesians 4:5 confirms this, mentioning "one Lord, one faith, one baptism." Jesus did not agree with the modern, relaxed view that there are many roads, many religions, all leading to salvation. Instead, he said: "Narrow is the gate and cramped the road leading off into life, and few are the ones finding it." Keep reading the Bible, and keep looking.
Comment: #8
Posted by: Shelly
Sat Feb 20, 2010 6:12 PM
Re: Shelly. You're right, but I think it's important that the church (both the figurative one and the literal building) be open and inviting to non-believers. I'm a Christian and I see nothing wrong with someone who doesn't feel "part" of the faith, coming in and sitting down, and listening to the message. You have no idea what the Holy Spirit may have in mind- perhaps this LW may even accept Christ after hearing enough from God's Word. Even if that never happens, does that person's presence take anything away from the experience for the rest of us? Church is exactly where the "unsure" belong - where else are they going to hear The Truth? Let this person see how real Christians think and act, not the phony ones and hypocrites that so many nonbelievers complain about. Let him or her see what God's love looks like, in action. If someone starts causing problems in the church, the leadership is equipped to handle it...but this person doesn't sound like an angry atheist or any other kind of rabble-rouser.
Comment: #9
Posted by: Matt
Sat Feb 20, 2010 10:36 PM
This is happening in Tired's own home. She should simply tell them that if either of them lays a finger on her again, they will NEVER be welcome in her home again. Then she should stand by her guns.

Then she should tell her husband that he can either back her up or join them.
Comment: #10
Posted by: OM Okie
Sun Feb 21, 2010 10:45 PM
#1: Why are these creeps even allowed into your home? Next time there is a cook-out, tell your husband they are not allowed. Sexual harassment is NOT acceptable.

#2: Good for you! It always makes me sad that people who don't believe do not teach their children about the church or any other religion. I was raised Methodist and even though I'm more agnostic or deist than Christian now, I believe very strongly in the rules and morals set into me by Christian upbringing. I plan to take my kids to church (if I can find one... Japan doesn't have many churches!) when I have them and let them believe whatever they want.
Comment: #11
Posted by: Brooke
Sun Feb 21, 2010 10:46 PM
"Not Good with Confrontation" means that you don't make a fuss if you get regular fries when you ordered curly. Refusing to protect your wife when she tells you she feels like she's being fondled by the two creepy men you keep inviting over? I use a whole nother word for that, but it would get me banned from this calm. EVen if he can't say "Why the hell can't you keep your hands off my wife?" is it really that hard to say "Sorry, Guys, but Jane just isn't comfortable with you being over anymore." Yes, that is a crock out on its own, but better than doing nothing. Were I the wife in this situation, I'd let husband know that either these two stop coming over or there will be no more dinners - or any other kind of hospitality - when they do. As for Margo's advice - it is good except for one thing. She already has told them to stop. They didn't listen. They probably will not listen if she says it again. Men like these two do not hear anything that comes from a womans mouth.
Comment: #12
Posted by: Datura
Tue Feb 23, 2010 6:32 AM
Our church has many current active members who originally came "just for the kids." There are many churches in many denominations that are accepting of this type of "seeking" behavior. If they one you try isn't tolerant then try another. In addition to those Margo mentioned, I've found many open churches in Methodist and Episcopal denominations as well. I'm sure there are some in most denominations but some places will work more actively to convert you than others so be sure how much of that you will put up with.
Comment: #13
Posted by: Mich
Tue Feb 23, 2010 10:52 AM
Re: Bonnie

She could loudly tell them to keep their #$@&!!* hands off her too!
Comment: #14
Posted by: janet
Sun Feb 28, 2010 7:51 PM
To LW3 about religion: I don't blame you for not being able to believe in the God you were raised to believe in. A terrific book by Marcus Borg, _The Heart of Christianity_ , does a great job of reframing Christianity in a way that a thinking adult can believe in. It's possible to find a Christian church that doesn't make you check your intelligence at the door.
Comment: #15
Posted by: rain
Wed Mar 3, 2010 7:48 PM
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