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Annie's Mailbox®, February 9
Dear Annie: My 19-year-old daughter has always argued with me about everything. I could say the sky is blue, and she would say, “No, it's azure.” When she was a child, I tried to ignore her debates and told her to just do as I say. But now that she's a young adult, it no longer works. I don't know how to put an end to these constant ridiculous arguments.
I just got off the phone with her. I asked if she could stop and get some cookie dough at the grocery store on her way home. She could not see any reason why I would want any, and I spent way too much time and effort convincing her to please get some so I could make some cookies. The store wasn't out of her way, and it wasn't expensive. She simply saw no reason for me to bake cookies.
She rarely does this with her father, although he has occasionally gotten the same treatment. I do not understand why she feels the need to make our lives so much more unpleasant than necessary. She will be finishing her education at a university halfway across the country next year, and it would be nice to put an end to this nonsense before she leaves. Please help. — Just for Argument's Sake
Dear Just: You and your daughter have created a confrontational pattern that neither of you seems able to break. Here's how: Stop arguing with her. When she says the sky is “azure,” tell her, “OK.” If she says you don't need to bake cookies, reply thoughtfully, “You could be right.” These are not major issues, and it won't matter if you let her win. Arguing is how your daughter gets your undivided attention. When she sees that she cannot provoke you, she may look for different ways to communicate. Help her out.
Dear Annie: I am 75 and have four married children. My first wife died, and I've been married to my second wife for eight years. It causes her great pain that one of my children displays a picture of me with my first wife in a prominent place in the living room. There is no picture of me with my current wife. She thinks it is an intentional way to say she is not welcome, and she refuses to visit there again.
My wife has made a point of displaying pictures in our home of both sides of the family to avoid just this type of ill will when my children visit. I understand people have the right to hang any pictures that please them, but I would like my wife to feel like part of the family in their home. Should I request that the offending picture be removed during our visits? — Upset Father
Dear Father: Your wife is being oversensitive. It is perfectly proper for a child to have a picture of his or her parents on display in the home. We suggest you explain the situation privately and give them a framed photograph of you with your current wife, asking if they would please hang it where your wife can see it when she visits. Tell them it would be a kindness to you and a gesture of acceptance for her.
Dear Annie: “Louisville Lass” preferred that the grandparents donate to their children's college funds instead of showering them with gifts on holidays and birthdays. That is exactly what my in-laws did for my two sons. They would give them a copy of a deposit slip to a savings account in their names.
The small amounts of $10 or $25 didn't mean much to the boys at the time, but when they graduated from high school, the amounts had added up to $5,000 apiece. The smile that brought to their faces, and to ours as well, was far greater than all the “landfill” gifts they would have received over the years. It also teaches a valuable lesson on how saving small amounts can be very rewarding. — A Happy Parent
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LW1: I think I solved this when my son and stepkids were little. Me: "Could you please stop by the store to get cookie dough?" Them: "Why? You shouldn't make cookies." Me: "Just do what I asked you to do!" Stop the arguments and be the parent while they are young. The girl is 19, so maybe it is too late. Discussing why you are doing something is one thing. But the kids in my house just learned that arguing when asked to do something is not acceptable.
Comment: #1
Posted by: Datura
Mon Feb 8, 2010 9:38 PM
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If I asked my son to do something for me and he tried to argue with me, my answer would be, "Do you want to keep living here?" Works every time.
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Posted by: Joannakathryn
Mon Feb 8, 2010 11:50 PM
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Re: Joannakathryn. You remind me of the stupid threats that my mother was always making to throw me out of the house, back when I was 20 and about to leave for college. Every time we disagreed over something, she'd threaten to kick me out. This approach created a rift that took years to heal completely, even after I was out of the house. Your advice is terrible. Datura, yours is just as bad. You don't tell a 19-year-old "Because I said so." As likely as not, you're going to get the answer, "No, I don't think so." So frankly I question that approach even for a child past the age of ten, but it definitely isn't going to work with a teenager who's old enough to think for him or herself, and certainly not with a young adult who is already over the age of majority. You know, like the one described in this letter. Frankly it may be time for the young woman described in this letter to find a roommate, get a job (I know, the economy sucks) and move out. She's probably just reached the age where she feels like her folks are cramping her style. Happened to me, and things eventually got a lot better once I had been out of the house for a few years.
Comment: #3
Posted by: Matt
Tue Feb 9, 2010 1:03 AM
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Re: Joannakathryn and Datura. Yeah, good luck with that approach. Both of you are off-base in your approach, especially considering the "child" at hand is 19 years old. Telling a son or daughter that age "because I said so" or threating to throw him or her out in the street? It's going to cause nothing but more problems. It may simply be time for this young woman to find her own place to live.
Comment: #4
Posted by: Matt
Tue Feb 9, 2010 1:06 AM
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Sorry for the double-post. I didnt think my first one would appear.
Comment: #5
Posted by: Matt
Tue Feb 9, 2010 1:06 AM
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I'm sorry but if my 19 year old child refused to pick up a grocery item for me because s/he couldn't see why I needed the item, I would simply say "stop arguing with me! If you come home without the item, you'll have until the end of the month to pack your things and move out of my house." Period. I'd also put an end to the free ride college fund. Some kids grow up thinking the world owes them everything. This woman has let this child walk all over her and Annie continued with today's prevalence of coddling children by somehow blaming the mother for allowing the child to provoke her. Please. This kid sounds like a spoiled, self-entitled brat who needs to be shown the door. Let her make her friends lives miserable. I guarantee she doesn't treat them the way she treats her own mother. I pity this girl's future husband and coworkers.
Comment: #6
Posted by: Chris
Tue Feb 9, 2010 3:43 AM
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Sorry, guys, but Matt's got it right here. "Because I said so" is what you use with a toddler. LW now has a young adult on her hands, and it sounds like she's treating young adult like a toddler, with predictable results. She's obviously not heard of "pick your battles" -- trying to win every battle at all cost kills the relationship. And that's what leads to a 19 year old saying "no" when Mom asks her (did Mom even say "please"? Not mentioned in the letter) to stop at the store. Kathy & Marcy were right on this one -- don't engage in the battle, make your daughter feel like you're actually listening to her viewpoint on other issues, and you'll increase the likelihood that she'll want to listen to you.
Comment: #7
Posted by: hedgehog
Tue Feb 9, 2010 4:21 AM
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Next time daughter wants a favor from Mom, she can just say "No, You won't do for me, I won't do for you."
Comment: #8
Posted by: sarah
Tue Feb 9, 2010 4:30 AM
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Re: hedgehog
Who's running the show in your home? You, or your child. Parents like you are far too soft on your children and they're turning into impossible adults with unrealistic expectations who make the rest of us miserable. Learn how to say "no" to your child.
Comment: #9
Posted by: Chris
Tue Feb 9, 2010 5:03 AM
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Lw1: I think my response to a daughter like that would be "I am not asking your permission to bake cookies, I'm asking you to do me a favour". If she refuses, then so be it, but this will clearly influence my willingness to do her a favour another time.
Threats like "Do you want to keep living here?" or "When you live in my house, you do as I tell you to" rarely work with 19 year olds, especially one that will be leaving in 6 months anyway. My mother used these abundantly to prevent me from getting an after school job, boyfriend, and to keep curfews and bedtimes that were more suited for a 10 year old than a young adult etc, and I moved out when I was 17.
Comment: #10
Posted by:
Tue Feb 9, 2010 7:24 AM
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Oh please, it is simply time for her to go. At 19 years old she is doing what the majority of people do, getting ready to start life on her own. That includes asserting her opinions. Her Mom is the target because most moms are the targets. Sometimes I think we over analyse everything. This is human nature. If you don't like it tell her. She will be gone soon and you can rejoice that you don't have Empty Nest Syndrome.
Comment: #11
Posted by: Penny
Tue Feb 9, 2010 7:25 AM
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This woman/child does not understand that she's part of a family, a household, and a home. Most everything she takes for granted has come from the grace of her parents, including the mom she disrespects. I say clean out her room of everything except a bed, a dresser, a desk, and a week's worth of the most essential clothing items. Allow her access to food but don't cook for her, don't launder for her, don't clean up after her. Don't pay for anything for her, and tell her it's great that she's going to university, and even if the first semester's been paid for, it's time she figure it ALL out on her own. The free ride ends now. A parent's primary responsibility to their children is to prepare them to be fully functioning and independent adults. Princess Mouth obviously thinks she's ready. Time to see if she's got the stuff to back it up.
Comment: #12
Posted by: Jules
Tue Feb 9, 2010 7:26 AM
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That 19 year old sounds a lot like my parents, only it's not about asking them for anything. They ask what I'm planning to do with my time then argue with me about why I won't do it their way. I'm 32, by the way.
This woman needs to make clear that the girl's arguing is disrespectful and unhealthy. Nobody should have to take that talk from anyoe. If the girl is so "grown up" that her mother is cramping her style, let her live with her father.
Comment: #13
Posted by: Denny
Tue Feb 9, 2010 7:27 AM
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Seriously, when I was a teen and in my early 20s living at home, if my mom asked me to do something, I did it. Period. My older brother was a bit more of a rebel and didn't always see eye-to-eye with our mom; but, when she asked him to do something, he did it. Period. I agree with those who think that this girl (and many young people today) feel that, because they have reached the age of majority, they don't have to do things their parents ask them to do. Yes, it's LW1's fault that it has gone on this long. If you're being supported by someone else, you need to help out when asked. End of story. Grow up and ACT like an adult if you are one.
Comment: #14
Posted by: Don
Tue Feb 9, 2010 7:28 AM
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LW1: I actually agree with the ladies on this one. Stope arguing. It takes two to tango so walk away from the dance. When the daughter inists the sky is azure just say "okay". However, when daughter needs something just say "no". The issue is really about breaking this cycle of arguing which the mom is playing into. LW2: Tell your new wife to get over herself. Doing the math I will assume that your daughter was in her 40's when you and your wife married 8 years ago. Your wife is not her stepmother and if she is otherwise treated respectfully and inlcuded in family events let it go. The daughter has every right to have a picture of HER PARENTS displayed in her home.
Comment: #15
Posted by: Rick
Tue Feb 9, 2010 8:20 AM
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Hello. I just attended a new school, and I have to admit that I'm quit the "girl next door". Every guy wants to date me but I don't want to date every guy. I don't have to much of the female friends that I would love to have. I just started to date this guy and he is truly awesome, he's a very great person. He has an ex-girlfriend who always tries to get him back but he moved on. It seems like everyone is trying to break us apart. We want allow it, but its getting really hard and I'm tired of it. What should I do?
Comment: #16
Posted by: Abby Mitchell
Tue Feb 9, 2010 9:04 AM
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Re: Abby Mitchell - Hey there Abby, this is not where you send letters to Annie's Mailbox. This is where you comment on the day's column. But since you asked: People are trying to break you two up because you are such an awesome couple. Because you're such a "girl next door" and every guy wants to date you those people are just jealous of you and your guy. Totally! I bet his ex (prolly a skanky ho) only wants him back now because he's with you. If it gets too bad and you're just too tired of it take a breather and start dating some of those other hot guys who all want to date you. Or if that doesn't work you could just get over yourself and hope you grow-up soon. Glad I could help. Have a good one.
Comment: #17
Posted by: Rick
Tue Feb 9, 2010 9:24 AM
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Re: Upset Father. I do not believe that the issue is that the children have pictures of their mother in prominent spots of the house. That's just plain silly. The issue is that the children do not have any pictures of dad with wife 2 in the house. So...Dad, fix it. Give the kids a framed picture of yourself and your new wife. If it doesn't end up on display...well, I guess you know where your current wife stands in the family.
Comment: #18
Posted by: rata2fe
Tue Feb 9, 2010 9:41 AM
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Re: Matt--My "stupid threats" worked just fine. I only had to say that once or twice. My son has just now moved out and he's 25. He liked living here. Anyway, I never had a problem with him wanting to do stuff for us. He was always willing and ready to help. He realized, when he was 17, that I wasn't going to put up with cr@p from him, because one day he was yelling at me and I told him, if you don't like it, there's the door. He had a girlfriend who was determined to cause a rift between us and he kept telling me "You don't like M.......!" I'd never been anything but nice to the girl, though I wouldn't let them hang out in his room at 17 and 16. Finally, I said, "You know, I DON'T like M. And I don't have to like her because this is MY house and your lease is just about up." I was completely on my own at 18, and if I'd been lucky enough to have parents that made living with them pleasant, I'd have bent over backward at 19 to make myself a welcome part of the household.
Comment: #19
Posted by: Joannakathryn
Tue Feb 9, 2010 10:03 AM
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I seriously doubt that your answer to "Just for Argument's Sake" offered much comfort let alone a viable solution. Offensive/insulting/egotistical behavior in one's child should never be condoned which is the end result of simply giving in as you suggested. Not only is the offender not being held accountable, the offended feels controlled. The 19 year old daughter argues each and every point with her mother because she has an insatiable need to be right and in control -- all of the time, which is, of course, dysfunctional behavior. A 19 year old who's never been checked has no conscious awareness of an existing problem. Provided it's her desire to develop wholesome relationships, this is an easy fix, starting with her mother.
Here's my advice to Mom: Have an extended conversation with your daughter describing her behavior and that it's hurting your mother/daughter relationship; that you are certain her attitude will adversely affect other relationships in her life as well; that change is needed for her happiness and yours.
Provided your daughter is open to change, here's a way to begin: Each time your daughter argues/disagrees with you, tell her to "STOP." In addition, remind her, "YOU ARE DOING IT AGAIN." Repeat as often as necessary until the problem is a thing of the past.
Sign me: Been there, done that.
Comment: #20
Posted by: Diana Rakoczy
Tue Feb 9, 2010 11:21 AM
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I worked with children for many years. The youngest was 6 weeks, the oldest 16. I've also spent a lot of time taking classes to supplement my knowledge. Children begin trying to assert their personalities and opinions very young. We call it the terrible twos! It usually comes in the form of "no". If young children are constantly told to do things for no other reason than 'I say so' they grow up fighting to assert themselves harder and wind up at the point the woman's daughter is at. Reasonable argument should be encouraged for a number of reasons: 1 it allows the child to feel that they have some control over their lives. 2 it teaches children to be independent decision makers that know how to make important choices. 3 adults who know how to debate do better in employment and in their personal life because they are not afraid to go for what they want, or to stand up for themselves. 4 It encourages empathy. and 5 it allows children to see the adults decision process and allows adults to understand children's reasoning. My parents almost never told my brothers and I 'because I said so' and we turned out to be reasonable, intelligent and independent thinkers because we were encouraged to look at the consequences before we acted.
Comment: #21
Posted by: wyn667
Tue Feb 9, 2010 11:21 AM
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I feel bad for the woman who wants her daughter-in-law to except her. It's amazing that all it would take is a photograph to make her feel better. It would only take a moment to place a picture of her step-mother out for display. I'm sure she is already in her 70's and knows that her husband had a life before. Step-daughter has the right to display picures of her parents of course. It would be nice if she included one of her step-mother.
I can understand what the photograph would mean to her. My Mother-in-law didn't hang any pictures of my kids, her grandchildren in her house. Mind you she had pictures of most everyone she knew including her other grandchildren, but not any of my kids.
Comment: #22
Posted by: Susan
Tue Feb 9, 2010 1:36 PM
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Re: wyn667
I was raised to respect my parents and to obey simply based on respect. I was also raised to "respect my elders", all elders, which may be old-fashioned but not outdated. "Because I said so" is a perfectly acceptable response, and if more of our young people today were raised with the same respect, perhaps they would be less likely to display such a sense of entitlement, everyone else be damned. It is not the daughter's place to understand her mother's need to bake cookies. It is the daughter's place to comply with her mother's request. I don't think it would damage her ego or psyche in any way. It's not as if she was asking her to drive to another state and rob a bank. It was a ten minute errand to be a help. I am shocked by the attitudes displayed by most teens and twenty-somethings I come into contact with. In addition to a tremendous sense of entitlement, they are also completely lacking in self-accountability.
Comment: #23
Posted by: StacyFun
Tue Feb 9, 2010 2:23 PM
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Re: teenage daughter that argues - That behavior falls under verbal abuse. If it's an ongoing thing, she might need to look into some books on that, and on codependence as well. Being asked to justify why you want cookies, automatically disagreeing with and making issue of things that way is systematic, and yes, Mom needs to learn to stop the cycle, but she needs to understand it and why it happens to her but not Dad to do that. Until she understands why she argues back and how she contributes by engaging the daughter, she can't change it. http://www.drirene.com was a lifesaver for myself and lots of others, and has a great book list for these problems.
Comment: #24
Posted by: angeldmort
Tue Feb 9, 2010 3:51 PM
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Re: May--It worked fine with mine, because it wasn't a threat. My son knew I meant it. As far as 19-year-olds moving out, that seems to be a thing of the past, at least where I live. Most people my age aren't worried that their kids MIGHT move--we're worried that they are NEVER going to move. Or, that they'll move out and then boomerang back, like mine did. Admittedly, we've made it pretty cushy for him, though he always worked from the time he was 16, so he didn't get financial support. When he was 21 and engaged, he asked if he and B could move in and "live upstairs." I said no before he finished asking the question. Back to the original Annie letter, asking a 19-year-old who lives with you to pick up something on her way home shouldn't have even merited an argument from the girl.
Comment: #25
Posted by: Joannakathryn
Tue Feb 9, 2010 4:02 PM
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Note to "Just for Argument's Sake":
I found when my son was a teenager and he spit out a provocative statement which wasn't the answer I wanted, silence (on my part) spoke much louder than words. It enables a teen to process and rethink their answer and perhaps come up with one a bit more favorable to the situation. My grandmother used to say, "A closed mouth gathers no foot."
Silence is Golden
Comment: #26
Posted by: Fran Nadzam
Tue Feb 9, 2010 5:56 PM
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I am responding the the mother who complains of an argumentive daughter, and then to all of the militants who offered the advice to threaten to kick out a child...I've always thought that was the most horrible thing I ever heard, to threaten to kick your child out of her/his home at a certain age, or, as an ultimatum to get them to do or don't do something. I have four grown children, and if I could buy a mansion and have them all move back in I'd be thrilled, it would be our "Dynasty" but without the drama! They were all a delight to have at home, and our 3rd son said when asked what he was going to be when he grew up, would say, "A stay at home son!" We loved that answer, because it showed us he loved it here and loved us. By the way, he is in year two of a very respected, large university 200 miles away. I cried for a week when he left, it was terrible not to see his smiling face here in the house. Our oldest is 26, and has moved back home a few times, and our middle son has a family with 2 small children, and they lived here a little bit to get on their feet. I never wanted any of them to leave, I love their company, their personalities, and they are great people. Our daughter is the last at home, and I would never in a million years threaten to or kick her out, in this day and age it's so dangerous and expensive out there. None of our four were smokers, drinkers, partiers, or in any trouble. In fact, they hung at the house with friends and family because we respected them and they respected us. 3 are in college with outstanding grades, one a senior doing super. My question is, why have kids if you don't want them around?
Comment: #27
Posted by: Lori
Tue Feb 9, 2010 7:05 PM
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Oh, one afterthought...did the mother have diabetes or was she severely obese? The daughter may not have wanted to contribute to her mother's poor health by buying cookie dough.
Comment: #28
Posted by: Lori
Tue Feb 9, 2010 7:11 PM
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Re: Chris
You got no idea how "soft" I am on my kids, and I've told them NO quite a bit. But I pick my battles -- if they tell me the sky is azure, I'm sure not going to waste my breath arguing that it's more periwinkle.
And society likes my kids just fine, thanks. My adult kid lives on her own, no support from Mom & Dad, works full time and is going to school as well. The high schoolers are both honor roll students who put long hours into volunteering and athletics, and who do things like shoveling our long driveway before I ask it of them. They're cooperative and pleasant, and the youth leaders who worked with them on mission trips made a point of telling my husband and me how much they and the other kids enjoyed working with my kids.
Niow, If feeling like you "run the show" is the single most important thing driving your day-to-day interactions with your kids, good luck with that. Someone who can't give at all, on anything at all, looks to me like someone grown sons and daughters will want little contact with. But that's your call.
Comment: #29
Posted by: hedgehog
Wed Feb 10, 2010 9:55 AM
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“Children have never been very good at listening to their elders, but they have never failed to imitate them.” ~James Arthur Baldwin
Comment: #30
Posted by: wyn667
Wed Feb 10, 2010 11:58 AM
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