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Annie's Mailbox®, June 9
Dear Annie: Is it OK for a husband to have sex with his unconscious wife? I am a very deep sleeper. I went to bed with my pajamas on but woke up naked and discovered my husband had had sex with me. He can't understand why I am unable to get over this. As a result, we are currently estranged.
His family says he did nothing wrong. My friends say it was sexual assault. He is also verbally abusive, and we've had a couple of physical altercations, too. He thinks I should forgive and forget everything, but I want a divorce. Who is right? — D.D.
Dear D.D.: Many men believe a wedding license entitles them to sex on demand, but in this country, forcing himself on you without consent constituted sexual assault. Combined with the history of physical altercations and verbal abuse, this encounter was all about control and power. You can press charges, although it may be too late to report it. Depending on your individual situation, divorce may be your safest option, and you might wish to discuss this with a counselor before taking action.
Dear Annie: Last weekend, my mother-in-law went grocery shopping at a local store. She was approached by a stranger who asked to touch her. When my mother-in-law asked, "Why?" the woman stated she had "special powers" and told Mom that even though she had given up smoking, it was already "too late" and she had only a short time to live.
My mother-in-law could not continue to shop and left, confused and worried. Admittedly, Mom is not in great health, but we found it troubling that someone would do this without regard to how upsetting it would be. Is there a way to deal with this comment now? — Upset Daughter-in-Law
Dear Upset: We know many readers will believe this woman had "special powers" to deduce illness, but it's equally possible she is mentally ill and says this to everyone who appears to be in poor health — and based on the law of averages, she'll be right once in a while. Since your mother-in-law is worried, encourage her to get a complete checkup and tell the doctor what happened in the store. If the news is good, it will cheer her, and if it's bad, she will have an opportunity to get treatment.
Dear Annie: "Worried in Virginia" said her fiance drove with a female co-worker to put air in her tires, and that they text and e-mail often. You told her to keep an eye on the situation, but the evidence of misconduct was "flimsy." I believe you missed the most important evidence — her comment that when she confronted him, he became defensive, saying he did nothing wrong and she's blown it out of proportion.
Annie, anyone who has lived with a cheating spouse can tell you that the first sign of guilt is defensiveness and accusing the spouse of being the problem. The end result of this manipulation is to convince the wronged spouse that she's simply insecure — which is exactly what "Virginia" questioned. This woman would do well to rethink her fiance's devotion to her when he is not concerned with her emotional pain. — Been There, and Even He Agrees With Me
Dear Been There: We don't disagree, although again, not exactly "evidence." Here's another view:
Dear Annie: If "Virginia" is worried about text messages, phones calls and vehicle assistance, my advice to HIM is to run. I am a married 47-year-old man who works with two beautiful female assistants in their 20s. I would think nothing of helping them with their cars, and we frequently text and phone each other. My wife refers to them as my "daytime wives," and I assure you our relationship is nothing but professional. Relationships are built on trust. — True Love in Bakersfield, Calif.
Annie's Mailbox is written by Kathy Mitchell and Marcy Sugar, longtime editors of the Ann Landers column. Please e-mail your questions to anniesmailbox@comcast.net, or write to: Annie's Mailbox, P.O. Box 118190, Chicago, IL 60611. To find out more about Annie's Mailbox, and read features by other Creators Syndicate writers and cartoonists, visit the Creators Syndicate Web page at www.creators.com.
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Well, I have "been there" as well. On the receiving end of accusations of infidelity when it was the farthest thing from my mind. I would be questioned for hours as to just what I had said to that 80 year old guy in a wheelchair who asked me a question. (!) Of course I defended myself and told him he was insecure! Trying to defend oneself is not "proof" of guilt.
Eventually I had to divorce Mr Insecure to get some peace.
Comment: #1
Posted by: sarah stravinska
Tue Jun 9, 2009 1:16 AM
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It can be OK to have sex with an unconscious spouse under certain conditions. One of those conditions would be that if you woke up, would you be OK with it? The answer to that is obvious from the letter. The difference between fantastic sex and rape is how both parties feel about it. Although my wife says she is OK with "sleeping sex", I will check with her before she goes to sleep to see if it is OK TODAY.
More of a concern is that the communication has broken down. Forgetting is probably not possible, but forgiving can be worked towards. However, if there is an air of frustration or any multitude of negative feelings, forgiving can be extremely difficult. It is a long and difficult track to get the communications rebuilt. You alone must decide if you are willing to do that.
Comment: #2
Posted by: Mike
Tue Jun 9, 2009 7:01 AM
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Letter about sleeping sex: He is verbally abusive and you have had a couple of physical altercations. There is far more wrong than his having sex with you while you are asleep. He is verbally abusive and you have had physical altercations. Don't sleep with him again until you clear up those two problems. It isn't necessary to live that way.
As for the suspicious fiance: how about the word "confronted." Perhaps she confronted him with anger and he got defensive. I can tell you that it is terrible living with someone who is jealous of you when you are totally innocent and helpful but also terrible to feel jealous. Some relationships aren't meant to be. If you are already having this much trouble - and feeling insecure and that your significant other doesn't take you feelings into consideration - will only be worse if you marry or stay together unless you work this out. Think of the toll on someone who "has to keep an eye on" someone they are living with.
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Posted by: BB
Tue Jun 9, 2009 7:53 AM
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LW1-this is called spousal rape. call the national rape crisis hotline. this also happened to me but I got married young and didn't know this was wrong. i put up with it for 12 years until i finally got out. there was no way to press charges because it couldn't be proved but i suffered for many years because of it. so please do not take this abusive piece of garbage back. keep away and get some counseling to recover and heal.
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Posted by: osoozzq
Tue Jun 9, 2009 8:23 AM
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LW1-this is called spousal rape. call the national rape crisis hotline. this also happened to me but I got married young and didn't know this was wrong. i put up with it for 12 years until i finally got out. there was no way to press charges because it couldn't be proved but i suffered for many years because of it. so please do not take this abusive piece of garbage back. keep away and get some counseling to recover and heal.
Comment: #5
Posted by: osoozzq
Tue Jun 9, 2009 8:23 AM
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LW1-this is called spousal rape. call the national rape crisis hotline. this also happened to me but I got married young and didn't know this was wrong. i put up with it for 12 years until i finally got out. there was no way to press charges because it couldn't be proved but i suffered for many years because of it. so please do not take this abusive piece of garbage back. keep away and get some counseling to recover and heal.
Comment: #6
Posted by: osoozzq
Tue Jun 9, 2009 8:24 AM
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Re: Mike-->>The difference between fantastic sex and rape is how both parties feel about it.<< I can't believe you just said that. You have no idea what being raped is like if you believe that.
Comment: #7
Posted by: Joannakathryn
Tue Jun 9, 2009 9:32 AM
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As a retired sex crimes Det/Sgt in Wa. State I think your answer to D.D. will be incorrect in most states. I have no expertise with the other 49 states but logic usually prevails. Husband and wife have a civil contract, ie. wedding license and that has weight. Rape isn't legal in any state but ,"Lack Of Consent", absent force probably won't apply to Husband and wife. In Wa. State, Lack of Consent is third deg. rape and by law doesn't apply to married people. I'm not including valid court orders such as, "No contact, Protection Orders", etc. etc. She has had consentual sex with her husband a thousand times. The problem here isn't the sleeping sex. She is tired of him and wants out. This is what she should do.
Comment: #8
Posted by: Ron Ethridge
Tue Jun 9, 2009 2:25 PM
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As a retired sex crimes Det/Sgt in Wa. State I think your answer to D.D. will be incorrect in most states. I have no expertise with the other 49 states but logic usually prevails. Husband and wife have a civil contract, ie. wedding license and that has weight. Rape isn't legal in any state but ,"Lack Of Consent", absent force probably won't apply to Husband and wife. In Wa. State, Lack of Consent is third deg. rape and by law doesn't apply to married people. I'm not including valid court orders such as, "No contact, Protection Orders", etc. etc. She has had consentual sex with her husband a thousand times. The problem here isn't the sleeping sex. She is tired of him and wants out. This is what she should do.
Comment: #9
Posted by: Ron Ethridge
Tue Jun 9, 2009 2:27 PM
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As a retired sex crimes Det/Sgt in Wa. State I believe the answer given to D.D. ref. spousal rape/sexual assult is incorrect. I have no experience with the other 49 states but logic usually prevails. In Wa. third degree rape is, "Lack of Consent." Doesn't apply to married people. I'm not talking about exceptions such as valid court orders ie, No contact or protection orders, etc. etc.
Seems this woman is tired of her marriage and needs an excuse to get out. She doesn't. Get out
Comment: #10
Posted by: Ron Ethridge
Tue Jun 9, 2009 2:53 PM
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I bet LW1s situation is less about sex than it is about letting his wife know who has the power. I have seen how seriously long-term abusive relationships work and, aside from the big things, there are always little abuses. Things that make the abused feel weak and cheap. Stuff like waking up in the morning knowing that she has been 'used' whether she likes it or not. Whether it is an actual crime in her state or not, it is both cruel and creepy. Who cares what his family has to say. If you want a divorce, get a divorce. Get out now!
Comment: #11
Posted by: Datura
Tue Jun 9, 2009 8:18 PM
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Why don't you just put"Get Counseling" at the top of your column's. It's all you ever recommend. I have a hangnail---"get counseling"----I had a dream last night---"talk to a counselor". Really, it's getting OLD.
Comment: #12
Posted by: Jackie Villio
Tue Jun 9, 2009 8:35 PM
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RE: JoannaKathryn
I hope that I am not taking this too far off topic. Yes, I was raped. I only understand what my own feelings are with regard to it. I have spent many years in counseling to try to resolve these feelings. One of these is that I would possibly enjoy what I did during the rape if there were no weapons involved. Being a male and having been raped by males, I question how a female resolves this (healthily). Since I am neither homosexual or bisexual, I do not have to face this in my sex life. Not to say that it doesn't rear it's ugly head from time to time.
My other issue is that when I tried calling Rape Crisis, I was met by some people that could not believe that a male had been raped. I was under the impression that this service was available to both sexes, and I sincerely hope that attitudes have changed since then. I was thankful that i was able to get services from other sources.
Maybe I worded it poorly. I would assume that if this woman were to get back together with her husband, she would have to deal with some of the same feelings that I have, but have to confront them face to face. And Rape Crisis may not be the best place to deal with an "old" rape.
Counseling needs to be dealt with very carefully - I am assuming that this event caused enough emotional damage that talking may have become difficult. Reaching out to a newspaper advice column is a good first step. It is apparent that there are a lot of options here, and to sort these out requires more knowledge than an untrained professional has.
This letter hit a nerve with me. Although I could be considered an aggressor here, my own feelings relate more to the injured party. I know that these are my own conflicts, and I know where the mental health professionals are if I need them.
What I was trying to get across to the letter writer was that sorting this out may not be easy, but I wish her the best in doing it.
Comment: #13
Posted by: Mike
Thu Jun 11, 2009 6:15 AM
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I think the issue with the "sleeping sex" is the fact that it bothers the wife. If the husband cares about her, he'll stop. I used to do this periodically with a girl I dated in college, but she didn't mind...kind of "wanted it" whenever she could get it. (The woman I'm with now, doesn't seem to appreciate this and so I do not do that to her.) Whether or not the husband can be criminally charged with anything is irrelevant to the relationship...the fact that the wife would even want to have him charged, is what raises the red flag. Loving partners avoid doing things which antagonize or annoy each other. I'm also concerned about the verbal (and especially the physical) altercations.
Comment: #14
Posted by: Matt
Thu Jun 11, 2009 3:11 PM
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I think the issue with the "sleeping sex" is the fact that it bothers the wife. If the husband cares about her, he'll stop. I used to do this periodically with a girl I dated in college, but she didn't mind...kind of "wanted it" whenever she could get it. (The woman I'm with now, doesn't seem to appreciate this and so I do not do that to her.) Whether or not the husband can be criminally charged with anything is irrelevant to the relationship...the fact that the wife would even want to have him charged, is what raises the red flag. Loving partners avoid doing things which antagonize or annoy each other. I'm also concerned about the verbal (and especially the physical) altercations.
Comment: #15
Posted by: Matt
Thu Jun 11, 2009 3:11 PM
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Re: Joannakathryn. Ehhh...isn't "how both parties feel about it" precisely what separates consensual sex from rape?
Comment: #16
Posted by: Matt
Fri Jun 12, 2009 12:44 AM
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Re: Matt--Rape is about hurting and controlling somebody. Consensual sex is a mutual expression of love. A woman's body has to be ready, turned on, if you will, for sex to be pleasant and not painful. A loving partner knows this and works with her. Thankfully, I've never been raped, but I doubt most rapists engage in loving foreplay. Comparing rape to consensual sex makes my skin crawl.
Comment: #17
Posted by: Joannakathryn
Fri Jun 12, 2009 4:05 PM
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Any time someone has sex with a person who does not or can not consent, it is rape. While I think it's creepy even with consent to have sex with someone who is asleep, if they say it's ok, to each his or her own. This woman did not consent, making it the same as if she had been drugged. He knew she slept soundly and took advantage and she should RUN. Ron, I'm glad you're retired, because I would hate to come to an officer to report a rape and be told that because I had slept with a guy before he now has carte blanche to have sex with me whether I want to or not. You sound awfully insensitive to be a sex crimes investigator. Marriage no longer equals male ownership of the female body, and I'm pretty sure that is recognized in all 50 states now.
Comment: #18
Posted by: Nichole
Tue Aug 24, 2010 12:59 PM
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