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The girl of my dreams works at a restaurant I eat at almost every day. When she started six months ago, I began sitting in her section. I've never had feelings this strong. I can't even look at her without freezing up. Two months ago, I asked her out, and she turned me down, saying it was a bad idea because I'm a customer and she's too busy to date. She couldn't even look me in the eye. I was bummed, but I kept sitting in her section. My feelings got stronger every day, and last week, I couldn't resist bringing her a couple of roses in a vase and a love letter expressing my feelings. She wouldn't accept the flowers and reluctantly took the letter. The next day, she said I make her uncomfortable, and I should sit in someone else's section. I was crushed. My world ended. I'll give her space for a few months and eat elsewhere, but I don't want to move on. I'm a businessman, and whatever I want, I always work hard to achieve. Life's too short to not go after what you want. — Beside Myself

In business, not taking no for an answer can be an effective strategy. Of course, the widget account doesn't have to wait tables to pay the rent, and it isn't picturing you following it home and standing in the rose bushes trying to peer into its bedroom.

In the wake of a rejection, a persistent man might ask a woman out a second time, but you went straight to persistently creepy: bringing roses (in a vase!) and a love letter — a level of romantic effort that's appropriate when you've been dating for six months and have developed deep feelings for each other. Note the words "each other," and the fact that the only interest this woman has shown is in having you sit in another waitress' section (ideally, one in the northern Yukon).

Okay, your feelings for her are growing stronger every day — including the feeling that what she wants is beyond irrelevant. Think about how unhappy you're making this waitress. You're robbing her of her peace of mind, and if you start going back, maybe even her ability to pay her bills. I get that you have the hots for her, but you don't even know this woman. What could you possibly have said in that letter you wrote, "I love the way you look when you bring me extra salad dressing"?

Now, maybe you're afraid of the risks involved in having a real relationship; maybe you lack the experience and social intelligence to understand what one is.

Instead of dealing with what's missing in you, you avoid it by turning this poor waitress into an obsessive hobby. This isn't love; it's stalking with a bottomless cup of coffee.

You are overdue for a relationship — with a cognitive behavioral therapist, the kind that helps you understand and correct deep irrationalities in thinking and behavior. You're also way overdue for a breakup with your imaginary girlfriend. No need to say any goodbyes! Just give her the wordless gift of no more you. Permanently. Because, as you note, life's too short...to spend a chunk of it in jail, after you not only ignore her feelings but those of the judge that you need to stay 500 yards away from her at all times.

A Blast From The Pest

Hi there. It's "Beside Myself" with one more question about the waitress I've fallen for that I corresponded with you about the other day. Can a 40-year-old man have a relationship with a 20- to 25-year-old young lady? Is that too much of a gap? Does age really matter? — Still Beside Myself

No, the fact that she probably wants you in jail really matters. The gap that counts is the one between delusion and reality: You aren't her one and only; you're the pervy guy at Table 4. Sure, in romantic comedies, the "harass your way to happily ever after" model always works for Ben Affleck or Adam Sandler. But, this is real life, in a diner, so they don't need dramatic conflict to keep people in the seats, just reasonably edible eggs and bacon.

As I've already e-mailed you repeatedly: STAY AWAY FROM THIS WOMAN. Act like you care about her by being kind enough to accept that she doesn't want you, and by respecting that she (not you) gets to decide who's in her life. Go get the therapy you desperately need, and when your therapist deems you emotionally healthy enough to date, pursue women who talk to you because they like you and think you're cute, not because it's their job to tell you they're out of meatloaf.

Got a problem? Write Amy Alkon, 171 Pier Ave, #280, Santa Monica, CA 90405, or e-mail AdviceAmy@aol.com (www.advicegoddess.com). Alkon is the author of "I See Rude People: One Woman's Battle to Beat Some Manners into Impolite Society."

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Wow! This guy is NUTS. Good for Amy for telling him off.
Comment: #1
Posted by: Ariana
Tue Aug 17, 2010 1:25 PM
LW1 creeped me out. That whatever-I-want-shoud-be-mine attitude! I feel for the poor lady. Waiting tables is exhausting enough, and here's a Romeo throwing drama because *gasp!* the girl actually isn't thrilled about his admiration! I second Ariana. Brava Amy for telling him off!
Comment: #2
Posted by: Felicia Black
Tue Aug 17, 2010 7:41 PM
I'm glad Amy tried to set "Beside Myself" straight. He really has no clue that his behavior is not normal, not acceptable and not welcome. My experience with people like him indicates he won't seek the help he needs -he doesn't think he needs help. I only hope he leaves Amy alone. Amy, you have my sympathy as does the poor waitress.
Comment: #3
Posted by: Suzan
Wed Aug 18, 2010 4:39 AM
This man is frightening! I feel sorry for this poor young woman. I hope she can find peace and a happy life far far away from him!
Comment: #4
Posted by: janet
Wed Aug 18, 2010 4:47 AM
Poor waitress. When I worked clearing tables I got hit on by guys along with them leaving me their business cards and some loose change. One followed me out to my car once. I think after that he understood by the look of horror on my face that I wasn't interested. Another asked for a tour of the town. I wished I was wiser and talked to someone about it but I was young and not sure what to do. Thankfully nothing happened. But I hope this waitress gets the manager involved if he continues and documents everything this guy does so if she has to go to the police, she has everything she needs.
Comment: #5
Posted by: Kath
Wed Aug 18, 2010 7:18 AM
The smartest thing this young woman can do is find another job, without telling anyone at the restaurant, and then LEAVE. This man sounds oblivious and dangerous. The only thing that works with men (or women) like this is sudden and complete cutoff (or a sudden and complete bullet between the eyes).
Comment: #6
Posted by: Lisa McCue
Wed Aug 18, 2010 7:34 AM
I also hope Amy doesn't respond to him anymore; he's doing the same thing with his correspondence w/her as he's doing with the waitress. She needs to ignore and block him at this point.
Comment: #7
Posted by: deb
Wed Aug 18, 2010 7:50 AM
Reading list for the stalker: Obsessive Love, by Dr. Susan Forward.
Comment: #8
Posted by: Van Wickle
Wed Aug 18, 2010 9:00 AM
I wonder if this guy doesn't have a different cultural background. He sounds like a crazy stalker in his repeated emails about some waitress he doesn't even know, but I wonder if he doesn't come from a culture where its acceptable to pursue any single woman you want. I remember watching some show on PBS about some upper-asian culture where the men actually kidnap women (many times complete strangers) because they find them attractive. The man's whole family is in on it, keeping her in the house overnight trying to convince her to marry the man. If the woman makes it to the morning without accepting the "proposal", the family lets her go. It still wouldn't be acceptable in America (or most modern societies), but it might be an explanation as to why he thinks this way.

On the other hand, this guy is probably just an american who spent his entire life working on his career and has never gone on a date before. How many other waitresses, hairdressers, grocery store clerks, secretaries, neighbors, cleaning women has this man stalked before?
Comment: #9
Posted by: Nathan H.
Wed Aug 18, 2010 9:32 AM
Nathan, you have done the impossible -- you've made PBS sound interesting! LOL
Comment: #10
Posted by: Lisa
Wed Aug 18, 2010 10:30 AM
I agree with Lisa McCue the waitress needs to find another job, preferably in a city far, far away from the one she's currently working in and she needs to not tell anyone where she's moving to. Beside Myself is a stalker and with his "whatever I want" attitude he also sounds dangerous.
Comment: #11
Posted by: corinne
Thu Aug 19, 2010 3:43 AM
I disagree that the waitress should move "far away." Maybe she has a mortgage and a family. Why should she uproot her life every time some creepy guy makes her uncomfortable? What if she meets another one in the next city? The solution for her is to play it where it lies - and let's hope he's finally gotten the hint because a very public restraining order should be the next step. Among the adjectives that have been used to describe this guy, "extremely immature" should be added to the list. A girl he doesn't even know but has the hots for rejects him and he's "crushed"; his "world ended." Amy's exactly right - he needs a good therapist, then he should take his blow-up girlfriend out of the closet and practice relationship skills on that.
Comment: #12
Posted by: Maggie Lawrence
Thu Aug 19, 2010 4:54 AM
Yeah, she shouldn't have to change jobs or move. That's not fair at all. The guy probably hasn't done enough to warrant a restraining order, but if he persists in showing up, the restaurant management might be willing to step in and tell him he's not welcome there anymore. (And then hope the guy doesn't develop a delusion that it's the evil manager's fault that he's not allowed to see his true love anymore.) He needs immediate therapy in any case. And I said it before, but I'll say it again: Obsessive Love, by Dr. Susan Forward. A very helpful and illuminating book.
Comment: #13
Posted by: Van Wickle
Thu Aug 19, 2010 8:14 AM
The man is crazy - I wonder if he is my ex-husband? Haha. I'm pretty certain he wouldn't have any problems progressing to..."If I can't have you, no one else can either!"

While I disagree that this woman should get another job and/or move away, she certainly needs to take steps to make sure he leaves her alone. One would be telling her managers what is going on. They reserve the right to refuse service to anyone - and that may be what they need to do. She needs to be very vigilant when she leaves at night - making sure he isn't waiting for her and following her. That's a start...if it continues she can get a restraining order. If it still continues - then maybe getting another job and moving would be the answer.
Comment: #14
Posted by: Molly B
Thu Aug 19, 2010 2:51 PM
I don't think moving away is the answer. I agree with someone else that she may have family and everything else with that. She needs to get the management involved and also keep a diary of when he comes in, what he does, says or anything so if need be she can go to the police for a restraining order.
Comment: #15
Posted by: Kath
Fri Aug 20, 2010 6:38 AM
Perhaps LW1 could switch to another shift at the restaurant and be gone when the guy comes in. Of course, everybody else at the place needs to be aware of the situation and not give the guy any information.
Comment: #16
Posted by: Joannakathryn
Fri Aug 20, 2010 11:42 AM
In his book "The Gift of Fear," Gavin DeBekker talks about how the movies have set both guys and gals up to believe that the "never take no for an answer" thing is the solution to their romantic problems. It's a fascinating read. Women are conditioned to give in to creeps who've been conditioned to insist. BAD, bad, bad.

Hooray for this woman telling him to go away and stay away. Now, he just needs to do it.

It's creepy, it's disrespectful, it's just plain wrong to pursue her past "no." He should always assume that "No" always, always means...no.
Comment: #17
Posted by: marcia
Fri Aug 20, 2010 11:54 AM
If I were this guy writing the letter, I would have given up after she said "no" to the suggestion of a date. He does not understand that personal relationships are absolutely nothing like professional ones. It's not a business deal and persistence does not always pay off. Geez. I used to have a friend like this fellow, back in high school. He fell - hard - for a girl in his class that we both knew, and he began stalking her, writing her notes, trying to talk romantically, all the kinds of things this guy has been doing. He became obsessed with the movie "The Princess Bride" because the princess girl looked like the girl from school. She actually went on a date with him once, but eventually decided he was creeping her out. Eventually her dad confronted my friend and told him, "Leave my daughter alone." A few years later, I tried to fix him up with a single gal I knew, but she came back to me and said, "That friend of yours is creepy. He keeps going on about gazebos and swings in the moonlight and whatnot." I told him, "Knock it off with that crap until you know her better. Just freaking TALK to her. Ask how she's doing and what she is into." He did not listen. The last time I talked to my friend, he was going on about "marching up to her and telling her off" at their upcoming reunion. (Did I mention that he and I have both been out of high school for more than fifteen years now?) I don't think he ever did get any help. The worst part is that when I was in 9th or 10 grade, I was doing the same stupid things as him because I was so nervous around women. The difference between him and I is that I eventually figured out that "coming on too strong" repels women rather than attracting them. He is now 34 and as far as I know, has never dated any other women or been in a committed relationship.
Comment: #18
Posted by: Matt
Fri Aug 20, 2010 9:31 PM
Good story, Matt, but sad. I've been pursued by guys like that and you can't get it through their thick heads that they're being just plain creepy. (And it's "between him and ME" please)
Comment: #19
Posted by: Maggie Lawrence
Sat Aug 21, 2010 6:59 AM
Ew, I dated a guy like this. I wasn't into him so I said let's be friends. I was trying to let him down nicely, as he was a friend of a friend. Well, he kept buying me flowers and sending me cards and telling me how much he liked me and it made me so uncomfortable. I asked him repeatedly to stop. He was trying to wear me down. I talked to our mutual friend and she said he said he deleted my number. But he kept texting me! So I just started ignoring him and he finally started leaving me alone. But yeah anytime I was honest with him, he'd try to make me feel guilty for it. I even told him it seems to be all about what he wants; never mind what I want. Frustrating!
Comment: #20
Posted by: Liz
Sun Aug 22, 2010 3:56 AM
Just thinking, if the lw ever writes in again, Amy ought to ask him one of my favorite questions: "Just which part of 'NO' do you not understand, the N or the O?" and then block his adress for good.
Comment: #21
Posted by: Felicia Black
Tue Aug 24, 2010 2:54 AM
The best way to ward off one of these creeps, I think, is to turn it back on them, hard. But it takes COMMITMENT to pull it off!

"Oooh, this is so romantic. I'll need to quit work right now -- wedding planning is SO exhausting and I don't really believe in long engagements, do you? Well, I've got the place all picked out, but I'm not sure on flowers yet -- do you think roses are overdone? Maybe forget-me-nots would be better. You can meet my mom and dad this weekend, right? Because they'll want to know EXACTLY what you do for a living -- everytime he sees me show up with a new Coach bag, Daddy reminds me that I have to marry wealth! Mama has been pestering me for grandbabies for so long, she is going to be thrilled, and she'll want to know when we're going to get started. I have the first 3 names picked out (they work for either a boy or a girl) but since I'm hoping we have at least 5, we've got some work to do THERE, too. Anyway, we'll tell Mama that she'll just have to wait until we get back from our honeymoon, because ever since I read Eat Pray Love I've been hankering to go see all those gorgeous places, and when better than right after you're married, before the kiddos start arriving? Now, I'm not going to be ridiculous -- we don't have the kind of time to devote to that trip that she did --- I think we can see it all in 3 months, 4 tops, don't you? Oh, wait, do you think they get Househunters on cable in Italy? Because we are going to need a BIG house-- especially if my Cletus moves in with us--I swear, he and Daddy just can NOT get along, and Daddy's always threatening to throw him out, his own son! Like it's Cletus' fault that he can't hold a job -- he's been trying really hard and even sold most of his video games. Anyway, I hope we can find one of those really nice nannies like on TV to help. Even if I'm home all day, that's a lot of kids to handle alone, and I'd hate to see us go all Jon & Kate, wouldn't you? Which reminds me, you didn't go & get my ring yet, did you? Because I have some thoughts on THAT, too..."
Comment: #22
Posted by: hedgehog
Wed Sep 1, 2010 11:37 AM
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