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Her Best Friend's Waiting

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My girlfriend's best friend is her ex. They broke up six years ago (upon mutual agreement). She swears she's much happier being his friend and says they both feel they weren't meant to be romantic partners. Well, she clearly adores the hell out of him, and he's her go-to guy for her problems (family, career, and probably any issues with me). She respects my opinion, but sometimes I feel she only asks for it so I won't feel second banana to him. We've only been dating eight months, and I feel she believes what she says about their friendship, but part of me worries that she's still in love with him but not aware of it. During one of their long phone chats, if he said he wanted to be with her after all, I suspect I'd be dumped fast. — Second Best

If this were a chick flick, you'd be the plot device — the guy the girl's with just so she can figure out that she should marry the other guy. (Start worrying if you roll over in bed and see a couple of prop men unplugging your lamp.)

Of course it's hard for you to believe that a guy who once wanted her body now just wants her ear. Their insistence that they're just friends does run contrary to the wisdom of the noted therapist Billy Crystal, who warned in his seminal work, "When Harry Met Sally," that "men and women can't be friends because the sex part always gets in the way." Sure it does — mainly when they have yet to have sex with each other. But, these two have been there, done each other (and done each other and then some). Chances are, the thrill of the chase really has given way to the thrill of getting on the phone so they can cluck like two excitable hens.

People commonly think love is only supposed to come in groups of two, like on the ark. But, this "two-topia" — the notion that one person will meet your every emotional, sexual, and career counseling need (while leading you in a killer ashtanga workout) — is actually an impossible ideal. The truth is, in addition to your romantic partner, you can have another deeply important person in your life — a friend-plus! — who you love more than a typical friend but who you don't love naked (or don't love naked anymore).

And sure, if your girlfriend has a BFF, you'd prefer it to be somebody named Melanie, whose interests run the gamut from shoes to shoes. And yes, she could suddenly decide to "put the ex back in sex." But, six years post-breakup, it's likely her attraction is more therapeutic — having a longtime friend to lean on who's probably helped her dust all the skeletons hanging in her closets (home, office, and beyond).

Don't get all wound up in trying to compete with him or meet her every need; you just need to meet enough of them and keep getting to know her. Throw yourself into your relationship instead of obsessing that it will end, and try to focus on the merits of their friendship. This guy enhances her life, and if her life is enhanced, she's enhanced, and so is her life with you...even if that flies in the face of everything you've ever heard about how love is "supposed" to play out. (Shakespeare wrote "Romeo and Juliet," not "Romeo, Juliet, and Bob.")

Poach Class

Two male friends who know I'm happily married have made a pass at me recently. One's kind of a player, so...whatever. The other I considered a very good friend (of seven years), and I find myself remarkably angry with him. Some friend. I feel like posting a blog item, "I have never been unfaithful to my husband and never will be." — Betrayed

When one dog tries to hump another, it generally isn't because he finds the other dog ethically sketchy. I get that you aren't a chihuahua with computer privileges, but there's a good chance the thought process for these guys was dog-humpingly deep. I had you send me your photo, and you're gorgeous. Men make passes at women who are blindingly attractive — and not necessarily because they devalue them as friends or think they'll be quick to toss their wedding ring on another man's night table. Sometimes, impulse, dirty martinis, desperation, and seven years of a woman's hotitude just come to a head. This isn't to say you should excuse what these guys did or continue being friends with them if that's painful, but it may help to understand that the calculation here may not have involved a comprehensive risk/benefit analysis...beyond you're beautiful and they're drunk, and if they're going to be relegated to meaningless anonymous sex, they'd like it to be with you.

Got a problem? Write Amy Alkon, 171 Pier Ave, #280, Santa Monica, CA 90405, or email AdviceAmy@aol.com (www.advicegoddess.com). Alkon is the author of "I See Rude People: One Woman's Battle To Beat Some Manners Into Impolite Society."

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LW1-
I don't agree with Billy Crystal. Assuming there can be nothing between a man and a woman except in the bedroom is saying that's all a woman is good for - nice man, that Billy Crystal. I wouldn't touch him with a barge pole.

I'm best friends with two of my exes, in fact I work with one of them. One of them I would go back to if I could, now that the man I left him for showed his true colours. The other, I wouldn't touch even if he became available and interested, and I'm perfectly content enjoying the things that attracted me in him in the first place WITHOUT the sexual tension.

LW2-
" Sometimes, impulse, dirty martinis, desperation, and seven years of a woman's hotitude just come to a head."
Not to a head, Amy dear, not to a head!



Comment: #1
Posted by: Lise Brouillette
Tue Dec 13, 2011 10:31 AM
Re: Lise Brouillette

Not the big head, anyway....
Comment: #2
Posted by: JMG
Tue Dec 13, 2011 11:30 AM
Lise, In the movie When Harry Met Sally, as Harry matures he realizes that there IS more to a relationship with a woman than just sex. That they can be friends. Very good friends. I guess you missed that part. I had the pleasure of meeting him when he was creating his Tony Award winning Broadway show "700 Sundays". What a sweet, wonderful man he is! One that can make you laugh and cry, and laugh until you cry.
So, both of these letters are about the level of maturity of each man. The two guys who hit on a married woman, immature. The guy who can be a good friend to an ex, mature. The guy who can be troubled by but then can get over his girlfriends' friendship with her ex is maturing.
Comment: #3
Posted by: Claudia
Wed Dec 14, 2011 12:20 AM
LW2, When one says "never" that is like etching it in stone; pretty hard to do.
Comment: #4
Posted by: J
Wed Dec 14, 2011 4:06 AM
LW1: They broke up SIX years ago. If you can't deal then leave. But don't ask her to give up an important relationship just because you're insecure. That's ridiculous.

LW2: I don't get why you're angry. I could understand confused but not angry and betrayed. Are you offended that they thought you were the kind of person to cheat? And what do you mean they made a pass? Are you sure you didn't misconstrue something they said. Maybe your mental?
Comment: #5
Posted by: Diana
Wed Dec 14, 2011 2:13 PM
Re: JMG

Not, but possibly the only one he has that's fonctional...

@Claudia
I'm not big on movies and I didn't see that one. But if Billy Crystal claims that "men and women can't be friends because the sex part always gets in the way' then he missed that part too, didn't he?

Comment: #6
Posted by: Lise Brouillette
Thu Dec 15, 2011 4:21 AM
@Lise -- apparently you have to see the movie to get it. Billy Crystal, the actual person, doesn't make any such claims -- his character in the movie does. And as Claudia points out, he makes that statement toward the beginning of the movie, and as the movie progresses, he learns that men and women can, in fact, be friends. So, Claudia suggesting that you "missed that part" assumed that you had seen the movie and somehow "missed" the fact that Billy Crystal's character exhibits real growth as the story progresses. Since you hadn't seen the movie, you didn't "miss that part" -- you missed the whole movie, so of course it is understandable that you don't know how it goes. No need to continue ragging on Billy Crystal, who 1) was merely reading a line from a script and 2) even if he had a hand in writing the script (which he may have), his character goes on to learn that there IS more to male-female relationships than sex.
Comment: #7
Posted by: Lisa
Thu Dec 15, 2011 6:41 AM
Let me say a word in defense of the real-life Billy Crystal, not the character "Harry."

Billy Crystal has been married to the same woman for 41 years, which by Hollywood standards is an unusual, but admirable record.

Harry, OTOH, is a jerk in the movie until he falls in love with Sally.
Comment: #8
Posted by: Joannakathryn
Thu Dec 15, 2011 9:11 AM
Lisa. Thanks for that very clear explanation!
Comment: #9
Posted by: Claudia
Fri Dec 16, 2011 1:08 AM
Yep. I stand corrected - thanks for the clarification. I didn't see the movie and I'm not likely to - not for lack on interest, but lack of time.

I find it very difficult to just sit there doing nothing but watching a screen. I usually have the news or some documentary on that I can listen to from three different TVs as I work around the house. One hour of comic relief with Judge Judy in the afternmoon - IF I'm home during the week. With the new job, I'm not always home anymore, but I can sometimes watch it from there.

Comment: #10
Posted by: Lise Brouillette
Sat Dec 17, 2011 8:48 AM
LW #2
When I was married, I had all of my husband's friends hitting on me, regularly. I was as upset as you are now. ( Do I tell my husband that these guys are dogs, and not very good friends? or do I keep quiet, and not ruin a friendship. I chose the latter, and just sucked it up.) There is something about being someones wife that makes some men say, ' challenge accepted'.
Comment: #11
Posted by: Carol
Mon Dec 19, 2011 2:06 PM
@Carol, it works for gay couples as well, sadly. Back in my bar days, I'd get hit on more frequently if I came in as one part of a couple, rather than when I walked in by myself. Some people do get a kick out of the "challenge", unfortunately.
Comment: #12
Posted by: Mike H
Tue Dec 20, 2011 9:24 AM
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